FW: RE: RE: Prophecy

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I think Jeff intended this message for the list and sent it to me by
mistake. If instead, Jeff, you intended this to be a private response, then
my apologies, but in the future mark private messages as such.

"Brian Malcolm" <brianm1@home.com> wrote:

>JEFF

>    All personal attacks aside, the fact is that Mr. Taylor has made an

>assertion regarding 2 Sam. 6:6-7; namely, that it demonstrates that God

is

>not compassionate or slow to become angry (or at least that God is

>unjust). In making the above assertion, he (or anyone else making this

>claim) shoulders the burden of proof. Thank you.

>

>POOBAH

>The text of the passage shows why Jehovah is neither compassionate nor

slow to anger. We've given an interpretation, that meets the burden of
proof;>either dispute it or show how it fails to meet that burden.

JEFF
Hello Brian. Thank you again for your detailed response.
In all due respect I ask you, sir, how does the interpretation given meet
the burden of proof? What I have seen so far is tacit acknowledgement that
the Israelites were sinning against God by not honoring his commands
concerning the transportation of the Ark. To argue further that because the
passage does not say, "and God began to get angry and eventually He struck
down Uzziah" it therefore means that God was "quick to anger and slow to be
compassionate" is a leap of logic which reads into the text, not out of it.
In addition, I could argue that based on Jonah 4:2 (a text which, even under
Mr. Till's admission, clearly declares God's patience and compassion) there
is sufficient reason to believe that God was not acting in the manner of
which you accuse him.

POOBAH
Tim has

>demonstrated his assertion by given you a multitude of verses that show

>Jehovah's quick temper.


JEFF
You are assuming that which you intend to prove, sir.
POOBAH
Further, he has shown your concerns lack logical

>merit, so his assertion stands uncontested.


JEFF
How has Mr. Taylor shown this? It seems clear that whether or not the
Israelites were sinning is of great importance in understanding the passage
at hand. Mr. Malcom, were the Israelites sinning against God in this
passage?

POOBAH

>I've shown you that both by a reading of the text and by analogy that

Jehovah's anger was quick, and the act in question could in no way be
considered compassionate.
JEFF
Your analogy only succeeds inasmuch as it is based on a proper
interpretation of the text, (which is, of course, the issue at hand).

POOBAH
So stop dodging

>and start answering, or future dodges will be taken as an admission you

>can't.


JEFF
In all due respect sir, I am beginning to feel this way about yourself.
POOBAH

>Further, I could state that you're the one making the claim that Jehovah

is

>compassionate & slow to anger, and that you are failing to meet your

burden

>of proof.


JEFF
I may in fact believe this, but I did not assert it outside of the context
of Jonah. Thus, at the present time I am under no constraint to defend an
assertion which I have not publicly stated.

POOBAH
You said you would deal with the verses, not shift burden of

>proof, or were you lying about that?


JEFF
How have I shifted the burden of proof? Mr. Taylor made the assertion; it is
his job to defend it.

[snip]
POOBAH

>I am asserting that anyone that gets angry & murders someone for trying

to

>help that first person is neither slow to anger nor compassionate.[snip]

Do you dispute that claim?
JEFF
No sir, I do not. Obviously then, the issue at hand is whether or not
this is what took place during the events mentioned in 2 Sam. 6:6-7

POOBAH

>Finally then, show me why such an analogy is invalid in the ark case, or

>admit that Jehovah is a divine bastard.



JEFF
It is invalid because you haven't yet demonstrated that your (Mr.
Taylor's?) interpretation of the text is the proper one.

Thank you for your time.


Sincerely,
Jeff Wisdom




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