A useless genealogy

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Ray
You are wrong about Helms reverend. Helms is simply giving a
reason why
Matthew made up the story. He is most definitely not trying to
"save the
day". Randal Helms wrote the book Gospel Fictions and is most
definitely
not a believer.

RevGaud
OK, here is what Helms says:
"Fourteen equals two 'weeks' of generations, and three two week
periods (14 +14+14) equal six 'weeks' of pre-Christian
generations in the royal line of Israel; thus, with Jesus begins
the seventh, the 'sabbath' week of Jewish monarchical
history--the kingdom, RESTORED UNDER CHIRST (emphasis mine).
Matthew included a genealogy not because he was really interested
in the ancestry of Jesus--presumably he had the wits to grasp the
pointlessness of tracing the genealogy of Joseph, who his own
narrative denies is Jesus' father--but because he was interested
in the pattern, the PROPHETIC FULFILLMENT" (emphasis mine).

Even if I grant that Helms is right about Matthew's intentions,
it would still not make the genealogy useful since Jesus isn't
Messiah. Helms' theroy rests on Matthew's believing Jesus was
Messiah. But Matthew was wrong about that, Jesus isn't Messiah,
so doesn't that make the genealogy of no use? The assumption his
theory is based on is false, IMHO. The so-called prophetic
fulfillment doesn't exist.

Now Ray, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong, even apologize to Joe,
but I just can't see where I am. I'm not trying to be
hard-headed: I just don't see it. Perhaps you could explain it
some other way, then I might understand what you're saying.


Reverend G. R. Gaudreau
<grgaud@bigfoot.com>
<http://campus.fortunecity.com/defiant/666/>

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