Non Chtristian sources for Livingston was Re: Josephus

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WALT

Josh P Livingston wrote:

> 

> >> LIVINGSTON

> >>         Helen, at this point you have conceded the existence of at

> >least four

> >> independent communities that believed that a real person named

> >Jesus

> >> taught, in some cases did miracles, and died within their recent

> >past.


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> >HELEN:

> >This is a subject that has often been dealt with on the list. 


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> LIVINGSTON

>         I think the problem is that you are forced to make too many assumptions

> about the source of these quotes. 


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 I

> ask again, what kind of evidence that would

> reasonable to obtain in the ancient world for a person of Jesus alleged

> circumstances would lead you to believe that he really did exist?

> 

> Sincerely,

> Josh Livingston

 
WALT
Josh,
Jesus has the same problem his dad has. In the OT, his dad never did
anything half-way, from Noah and the flood(Unsubstantiated in any
scientific publication), to the plagues of Egypt(unrecorded in any
non-Jewish writings; BTW, when he murdered *all* the first-born, that
should also have included Pharoh, but didn't), to the "Exodus",(again,
no historical evidence has ever been found, though there have been 80+
expeditions to the Sinai). 

Segueing to the NT, we find similar (unremarked elsewhere) events such
as the virgin birth, at which time he hung a special star in the East to
guide the three wisemen. Bad choice, since that made it necessary for
them to circumnavigate the globe to arrive at a point that was only a
few hundred miles to the *West* of them. Skipping the various miracles
that were commonplace then and the crucifiction, we come to the raison
de'etre of Christinity, the resurrection.

Well, dad's at it again. He scrounges up some clouds, or whatever, and
darkens the place, but his really cool move was to cause an earthquake,
and raise the saints from the dead, who then proceeded into Jerusalem
and mingled with the people. Now you'd think that this would have caused
enough consternation and amazement, that *somebody* would have had the
presence of mind to interview a couple of these guys. I mean Jerusalem
was no backwater Bethlehem. There were traders, merchants, travelling
scholars, caravansaries with folks from far and wide, etc. Funny thing
though, no one was sufficiently impressed to even send a postcard home.

Well Josh, that's been dad's problem from day one. It's not that he's
gotten bad press. He just hadn't gotten *any* press at all. So with a
history of nobody paying any attention save a group of desert vagabonds
that he had to cozy-up to to get any attention at all, it's *no wonder*
that there is such a paucity of information concerning his boy. As they
say: Like father, like son.
Best wishes,
Walt

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