Prayer Challenge Update

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       DF:  Of course, another verse in the Bible says to PUT god to the
test,
       with the clear implication that god will come through. Lets see if
the xians
       will find that one for us in the spirit of intellectual honesty.
       (responding to previous exchange)


> >  REV. BAKKE

> >  My prayer challenge is not directed at God, nor does it seek to tempt

or

> >  cajole God into doing anything.

> > ============

> > Joe Alward:

       From your friend's point of view, you were asking him to ask his god

> > his existence to you by granting his prayer to make himself known to

you.

> > That's what tempting god means

      < snip.

> > The believer can rightly claim that Luke 4 makes it clear that all such

> > challenges WILL fail, but not for the reason you claim.

>

> REV. BAKKE

> The believer can (and will) claim anything that he wants to claim.  The

> problem here is that it is the original claim that God answers the

> prayers of those who believe in him that is getting them into hot water

> when faced with my prayer challenge.  One can try to sidestep the

> challenge by offering up the "don't tempt God" argument, but that also

> must fail.  Consider that when Jesus told Satan not to tempt the Lord

> thy God, he did so directly.  Heck, if I got a revelation from God that

> said nothing more than "Don't tempt me, puny human", that, in itself,

> would be sufficient proof of his existence.

> The bottom line here is that my prayer challenge does not tempt God at

> all.  It puts Xian doctrine to the test.  Those are two very different

> animals.

>

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