Trinity:A fraud

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> BAKKE:

> Since Xian belief (some versions of it, in any case) have Trinitarian doctrine as 

> an extremely important supporting leg, if that leg is kicked out from under one 

> particular version of that doctrine, the entire belief system becomes untenable 

> and comes crashing down and its defenders go along with it.

> 

> SIMS:

> How does it follow that because one element of a belief system is

> rendered as disputable, or even false, that the entire system is

> demolished? 


BAKKE
I don't think you read my statement correctly.  Trinitarian doctrine is
not just "one element" of Christianity that is equal to all other
elements.  That doctrine is a foundation principle of the entire belief
system (similar to the resurrection story).  If it fails, the foundation
becomes unstable and the entire system risks collapse.


> SIMS

> Applying this to everyday life would render a

> multiplicity of views into extinction. 


BAKKE
If such views have similarly critical principles on which they are
founded, then they would also risk the effects of the undermining of
those principles.


> SIMS

> Does it follow that because we

> have disagreements about what the founding fathers intended with

> regard to the constitution, that the constitution as a whole is in

> danger of collapsing? 


BAKKE
That would only happen if the Constitution is based upon one or more
critical foundation principles upon which it is completely dependent for
its intellectual and/or doctrinal basis.  Is that the case?


> SIMS

> Does anyone totally agree about what Marxism

> really is? Well, I guess that means that Marxism is false? Hardly.


BAKKE
You're taking the argument to undefendable extremes.  Can't you defend
Xianity directly?


> SIMS

> Oh, and let us not forget atheism. Ayn Rand and George Smith have

> their ideas about what atheism really is. But, so does Maddy O' Hair;

> and her version finds the philosophical atheism of George Smith to be

> distasteful. Is atheism the denial of God, or is it merely the lack

> of belief in God? Well, I've heard atheists argue both sides. So, I

> guess atheism is false as well. Gee, I had no idea this could be so

> easy.


BAKKE
It's easy if you can't (or won't) understand the arguments.  Do you
realize that your arguments are affirming that Xianity is false?

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