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At 10:08 PM 6/10/99 +0200, David Korn wrote:

>At 03:01 PM 6/10/99 -0400, you wrote:

>>>TILL

>>>I don't conduct private correspondence, so I am posting this on an internet

>>>list.

>>>

>>>Your experience proves nothing.  There are people whose lives have been

>>>dramatically changed by adopting belief in Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism,

>>>Scientology, New Age-ism, etc., etc., etc.

>>

>>Jason:

>>

>>What do you mean "it proves nothing"? If God, that is Jesus Christ, is a

>>personal God and He acts on a personal level, as well as public then yes it

>>does. It might not prove it to *you* specifically because it's not your

>>experience, but it does prove that God (if existing...) does work in

>>individual lives.

>>

>>Till

>>

>>>You suggest that you were

>>>homeless for 12 years, so I would suspect that your conversion resulted

>>from

>>>experiences that you had at homeless shelters maintained by Christian

>>>organizations.  Your conversion very likely resulted from an emotional

>>>feeling of gratitude, but had you had experiences with shelters maintained

>>>by Islamic organizations, you would now be praising Allah for saving your

>>>life and keeping you out of prison.

>>

>>Jason:

>>

>>How do you connect the two? Are you saying that shelter organizations that

>>are run by Muslims are run exactly like those Christian organizations? What

>>makes you think that the experiences at those organizations would be

>>identical to the ones in the Christian organizations?

>>

>>Glenn:

>>Wow Jason, you are incredibly dense!  I can see why your stuck in the mire

>>of Christianity.  You can't seem to comprehend the simple points that Till

>>has so clearly made to you.  <shaking my head in disbelief>  You are

>>possibly the most asinine character I've ever come into contact with in

>>cyberspace...  Oh wait, there was a guy, Michael Fitzpatrick, who was on

>>this list that could possibly qualify for "most pathetic."  No, I think you

>>win!   Of course I'm not on any Christian lists in which case things might

>>be different.

>

>DAVID K

>Farrell's point is rather obvious, I believe: Personal experience proves

>nothing, as different individuals have different contradictory experiences

>regarding god or gods.  The experience may be different at an Islamic

>shelter from the one at a Christian shelter, however structurally the

>religious experiences at both shelters are identical.  Jason, I do not see

>how you are not able to grasp this point.  I think it is not due to a lack

>of intelligence, but to a lack of logical thought, so if you will try to

>use reason instead of rationalization I am sure your views will alter.  I

>concede, though, that the latter step is a rather difficult one for an

>indoctrinated person.


Ed

You hit the nail squarely on the head.  Of course, Jason is capable of
making the distinction; anyone who can write his own name in the mud with a
stick can make that distinction.  The fact that he instead chooses to
resort to a poor attempt at sophistry to rationalize the similarities in
experience away merely shows that he has voluntarily surrendered the use of
reason.

Or as William Jennings Bryant replied when questioned by Clarence Darrow at
the Scopes trial:  "I do no think about things that I do not think about."

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