A little response to "How Did the Apostles Die?"

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At 07:51 PM 7/24/99 EDT, you wrote:

>TILL

>Oh, we are?  Do you assume that about the Book of Mormon?  The Qur'an?  The

>Bhagavad-gita of the Hindus?  The Avesta of the Zoroastrians?  If not, why 

>not?

>

>Do you assume that king Mesha's inscription on the Moabite Stone "is more or

>less the truth"?  If not, why not?  

>

>Theo:

>The Book of Mormon has negligible evidence for it because the "eye witnesses" 

>later took back their testimony. 


TILL
This is a popular but unproven claim.  There was a split in the Mormon
Church over some issues that resulted in the formation of the Reorganized
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in Independence, Missouri.  Some
of the "witnesses" went with the reorganized group, but I don't think there
has been any evidence to show that they rejected the Book of Mormon.  The
Book of Mormon is considered inspired scripture by the reorganized group.

THEO

> The Qur'an commands people to believe in 

>the Bible:  "You to whom the Scriptures were given!  Believe in that which We 

>have revealed, confirming your won scriptures."-Sura 4:47, Dawood. 


TILL
Sorry, Theo, but ask any Muslim, and he will tell you that this is a
reference to the Qur'an.  I have the translation by Maulana Muhammad Ali,
and it renders this verse as, "O you who have been give the Book, believe in
what we have revealed, verifying that which you have, before we destroy the
leaders and turn them on their backs...."    So the "book" is the Qur'an,
not the Bible.  

Am I right about this, Adnan?

THEO

> Since the Bible contradicts the Qur'an (compare John 3:16 and Sura 9:30,

etc.), >we know that the Qur'an is not the word of God.  

TILL
Oh, my, Theo, is this an example of the kind of "apologetics" we can expect
from you?  Your circular reasoning begs the very question you are trying to
prove, which is that the Bible is the word of God.  Hence, you are arguing
like this: (1) The Bible is the word of God.  (2)  The Qur'an cannot be the
word of God, because it contradicts the Bible, and the Bible is the word of God.

THEO

>I have not studied those other documents, 


TILL
And apparently you haven't studied logic either, but few high school
students have.

THEO

>but I would perhaps like to some day.  Since, however, there is 

>sufficient evidence for the Bible to prove it to be the Word of God, I can 

>say that those documents are inaccurate when they contradict the Bible

>


TILL
There is sufficient evidence to prove that the Bible is the word of God?
I'd like to see you present it.  You said earlier that you think you know
the NT very well but don't know too much about the OT.  Since you don't know
too much about the OT, how can you be so sure that it is the "word of God"?
I think I'm seeing someone trying to defend some preconceived notions that
he brought to the list with him.

Farrell Till
Skepticism, Inc.
jftill@midwest.net

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