A Parting Summary of Bore

errancy@infidels.org errancy@infidels.org
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:20:01 EDT (00931940401, 1a8c1f0d.24bd5be1@aol.com)


Since I will be checking out of this list in a few minutes, I thought that I 
would give a summary of the yalad debate from before.  Unfortunately, I will 
not be here to answer questions.  

First, Till is correct when he points out that it deals with the Exodus 6 
genealogies. He provided an initial writeup of six old posts that was 
approximately 20-30 pages in length, if I recall correctly, when I printed.

He did a good job of making his case.

My goal was a simple one, to show that his proof did not necessarily follow.  
As I stated many times, that was my only goal.

With this as the goal, there are many solutions.  The one that I showed was 
that it does not necessarily follow that Jochebed (if I spelled her name 
correctly), was not Moses' direct mother, but could have been only an 
ancestor.  Again, I was not claiming that she was not his mother, only that 
it did not necessarily follow that she was his mother.

I am not going to look up the references and offer the following from memory. 
 So, if I do not have it exactly correct, please forgive.

My evidence to support this as legitimate interpretation is:
-Moses' mother or female ancestor is mentioned four times in the Bible.  
Jochebed is connected with Moses only through the Hebrew word "yalad."  When 
this connection is made, it is basically a genealogy without additional 
connections to Moses.  In the other two places where Moses' mother is 
mentioned, there is a direct correlation, but the name of his mother is 
anonymous.
-Within the Bible, "yalad" is definitely used for skip generations (as well 
as regular parent/child relationships).  Examples are Genesis 46 and the Luke 
3 genealogy compared to the Genesis 11 genealogy.
-Furthermore, genealogies in the Bible elsewhere often use "yalad," and skip 
generations would appear to be in them. (If you do not believe that "yalad" 
is used in genealogies throughout the OT, then you could claim many 
contradictions.  For example, the genealogy associated with Benjamin is quite 
confusing, probably because his line was nearly wiped out in a civil war in 
the book of Judges.)
-Various Hebrew dictionaries and Bible dictionaries were cited as further 
evidence.

There was more presented at the time, but I believe that the above clearly 
shows that a legitimate possible interpretation is that Jochebed was an 
ancestor, not Moses' direct mother.

Till contented this with reams of data that did not have a bearing on the 
issue, though.  This is why I wanted some firm criteria for discussing 
anything with him.  Basically, he showed a lot of data that showed that a 
legitimate interpretation was that Jochebed was Moses' mother.  I did not 
question this view ever.  I pointed out time and time again that the data 
which he presented was not adequate to show the view which I took was not 
possible.  

As I would agree, his data showed that his view was the more probable one.  
My data only showed that another view was possible.

His overstatement of his data is what made his position laughable.  

While Till will attack the above in his usual not quite sane way, I would 
remind the list of his agreement to take this discussion to the apologetics 
form, and then his chickening out.  So, please wake up, and at least try to 
understand the above.  There was a reason why Till did not want to do that.  
There was also a reason why he refused to offer logical criteria for this 
list.  Perhaps, my leaving will shame him into doing it.