History to Poobah (My Reply as Promised)

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TERRY
I not saying there were no civilizations before the flood, I believe there
was,  I simply saying the ones you mention could have spring up after the
flood.   These prior civilations you speak of could have all started after
the flood, not before.  It does not take man long to procreate.

POOBAH
Well then you must present some evidence that Egyptian, Sumerian, Indus,
Chinese, et. al. civilizations show evidence of existing before the flood,
and evidence of existing after, and how that continuity can be explained. In
the case of Egypt you want to have us believe that its civilization didn't
start until after the flood, but as someone else pointed out, that means
that Egypt had only been in existence two years before Joseph went down
there. You must show how that is reasonable, how it is possible that a
hundred rulers came & fell in those two years before the 17th dynasty, who
constructed the treasure cities mentioned in Exodus.

You must show how the pyramids were built in those two years, since they
were the products of the 5th Dynasty. You must show why even though
carbon-dating on the rollers found near the pyramids shows dates that are
the same as traditional dating or older, that they must be five hundred or
more years younger.

You must show why it is reasonable to take clay writings tablets dated 3300
BC & 3000 BC and show why they must have a 20% dating error, and why that
error must go in your direction.

Then you've got to do the same for Sumer.

If you are right, Terry, then your theory must explain more, and do so
better, then the current theory. Occam's razor. You've made a case that
there might be reason to doubt the traditional dating. Fine. Now you have to
show why yours is superior. In the absence of that, where is the weight of
the evidence?

TERRY
Floods are something that happen all over the world now, but the Flood of
Noah's day is one that featured survivors  being very few, being saved in
some vast vessel, etc, etc.   I find it very curious that these legends
all have a number of stunning similarities, that would not normally be
associated with a flood.  I find this very curious indeed and suddenly you
become the one using conjecture.

POOBAH
Well how are we supposed to deal with issues for which there is no evidence?
Look, I'm sure your argument is special pleading. Cultures around the globe
have accounts of giant monsters or dragons. Therefore there must have been
giant monsters or dragons. Cultures around the globe have accounts of magic.
Therefore magic must exist. Do you accept either of the above assertions?

If we are going to insinuate, I further find it interesting that here we
have Christians insisting that disparate myths must be a sign of common
origin, and it must be their origin. Yet they resist kicking & screaming the
notion that the Noah story is based on the Gilgamesh epic, that the
resurrected savior is based on the Osirus/Horus myths, that the Hebrew
mythology shows Babylonian influence, etc. If I concede this point, Terry,
will you concede these other obvious forms of influence on the Bible? Can we
agree that there was a flood and Utnapishtim was its sole survivor? Why not?

Even if I am engaging in speculation, the only thing I have to speculate
away is the "stunning similarities" of legends, which I don't necessarily
agree with. In your case, you've got to speculate away the whole of
archeology, geology, meteorology, botany, animal husbandry, logistics &
engineering. On my side I have anthropology, sociology & Jungian psychology.
And you have?

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