30 pieces of silver

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In a message dated 98-12-31 17:09:18 EST, you write:

<< Subj:	 Re: 30 pieces of silver
 Date:	98-12-31 17:09:18 EST
 From:	brite1@inetworld.net (Ray & Sandy Briggs)
 Sender:	owner-errancy@infidels.org
 To:	errancy@infidels.org
 
 At 20:57 12/30/98, JAlw@aol.com wrote:
 >In a message dated 98-12-30 16:01:52 EST, you write:
 >
 ><< Subj:	 Re: 30 pieces of silver
 > Date:	98-12-30 16:01:52 EST
 > From:	brite1@inetworld.net (Ray & Sandy Briggs)
 > Sender:	owner-errancy@infidels.org
 > To:	errancy@infidels.org
 >
 > Joe Alward wrote to Bach:
 >
 > I don't know how you could think that I don't know that God is supposed to
 > have inspired all of the verses; I've made that point emphatically many
times
 > on this list, as recently as three days ago when I rebutted another
member's
 > contention that the only way for Mark to have known that the sun had risen
 >was
 > for him--or someone else--to have actually seen it come up over the
horizon.
 > I responded that since every word in the bible comes from the lips of God,
it
 > was obvious that God had told Mark that the sun had risen.
 >
 > Ray:
 > I was the one you are referring to here. I think you misunderstood me
 > however. I don't deny that inerrantists think the bible is inspired, but I
 > don't think they believe every word was given to them.
 >
 > What that means in this case is God would not have permitted Matthew to
 > make an error like saying a prophesy came from a book it did not come from
 > - not that God would have dictated the sentence, at least that is my
 > understanding of how this inerrancy thing operates.
 >
 > Regards, Ray
 >================
 >Joe Alward:
 >
 >
 >Till insists that this list was set up to debate those inerrantists who
 >believe the bible was verbally inspired, to one has the right to claim that
 >Mark merely wrote down what  God told him.
 >
 >When I attempted to harmonize a verse by invoking what was jokingly referred
 >to as Alward's Inerrancy Doctrine, i.e., the notion that bible-writers did
not
 >always write down information received directly from god, that they
sometimes
 >wrote that which was commonly accepted as true, I almost started World War
 >III.  You may not have been with the list at that time, but my comments
 >infuriated Farrell Till, who responded with  five-part treatise on
inerrancy.
 >Till insists that true inerrantist MUST believe that every word in the bible
 >came from God.  This is what Till wrote:
 >
 >"In four previous postings entitled "Understanding Biblical Inerrancy," I
 >showed that leading inerrancy spokesmen, past and present, have declared
 >emphatically that the Bible was verbally inspired of God. As I noted, the
term
 >"verbal inspiration" denotes that God inspired not the thoughts or ideas in
 >the Bible, but THE VERY WORDS THAT THE WRITERS USED." (emphasis mine)
 >
 Ray:
 I think Farrell is right. Your concept doesn't guarantee inerrancy as the
 authors could easily make (honest) errors in the re-telling of the story.
 My concept (which I got from an inerrantist) guarantees inerrancy but it is
 stupid.

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Joe Alward:

I also agree that the Bible teaches that god chose every word that appears in
the Bible; that doesn't mean that every "inerrantist" accepts that, however,
as Till noted.  I also agree that "my" concept of inerrancy (not really mine,
but my understanding of how some inerrantists think of it) puts the
inerrantist at much greater risk in some cases, as in the "the sun had risen"
verse in Mark (which you were the first to point out to me) which directly
contradicts the notion that it was so dark out that John said it was "yet
dark".  In other cases, though, the inerrantist is helped by subscribing to
the "Alward inerrancy" which has been rightly mocked; it answers such
questions as, Why would God have written it THAT way?"
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