Problems with God

Matthew Bell mbkbell@aapi.co.uk
Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:04:33 -0000 (00918957873, 19990213200724109.AAA189@mbell.aapi.co.uk)



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> Matthew Bell
> God is under no obligation to you or any other individual . . .
ELF And THAT is one of the biggest problems any of the Abrahamaic religions has with the theology of their omnimax deity Matthew Bell I fail to see what 'biggest problem' Christianity has with God's lack of obligation to prove his existence. Perhaps you could elaborate? You see, mere humans in a contract have reciprocal duties and rights under the contract. Matthew Bell God too has reciprocal duties and rights when he enters into a covenant relationship with a people, or an individual. If a concrete plant has a contract with a construction company to provide concrete on a certain day, then if it fails to provide the concrete it is responsible for damages, direct, incidental and consequential -- and if the construction co. refuses delivery of the concrete on the specified day then IT is liable to the cement company for damages - direct, incidental and consequential. But if God doesn't deliver on the promises Matt et. al. think are in the Bible? Or that Muslims think or in the Q'uran? Their God is indeed under no obligation to keep any of his promises. Matthew Bell So which promises has God not delivered on, which breaches His side of the contract (covenant)? But to get the goodies apparently the believer has to follow a set of sometimes silly, complex and difficult rules. Matthew Bell So what are these 'silly, complex and difficult rules'? Think of it like this: If I had a fortune, and I made an offer such as this; Climb Mt. Everest, and sail solo around the world, then, IF I FEEL LIKE IT, I'll cover all the expenses you incurred and give you 10 million dollars of your own. Matthew Bell Such an act would be arbitrary. In what way is God analogous to such? I do not consider God acts on whatever mood he happens to be in, but on his infinite wisdom and knowledge. I've made no enforceable commitment, no promise, to pay up, so would you, based on that offer, undertake those tasks? Both have been done may times so its hardly anything impossible, difficult yes, but do-able. We can also note that the threats of hell fire are just as open to doubt. God is certainly under no more obligation to punish "sinners" than he is to reward the "righteous". Matthew Bell God is just. He will not punish sinners because of any obligation, or appearance to man, but becuase he is just. This God is under no obligation to even tell the truth about anything. Matthew Bell If the Christian God lied(s) then he ceases to be the Christian God, who cannot lie. It's a good thing that there is little reason to suppose that this particular God exists, because if we could be sure that he did, we really wouldn't know what to do. Matthew Bell I find no such dilemma in my Christian life. Thanks M.Bell