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>POOBAH

>Huh? So the Angel Gabriel appearing to Mohammed and whisking him away on a

>spirit-horse named "al-Burak" to Jerusalem and revealing the Koran isn't a

>miracle? There is a section on www.islam.org entitled "The Qur'an: Ultimate

>Miracle."


CARTER
An encounter with an angel is not "miraculous" in the strict sense of the
word. If I saw God, I would not say "it's a miracle!", nor would I say
exclaim something of that nature if I observed an angel. An action
performed by such a being would be a miracle (non-physical affected
physical), but not the being itself. Secondly, the spirit-horse is a much
later development is Moslem history (if I am remembering correctly), and is
not foundational to the faith - at least, it orginally was not. Lastly, the
Qur'an is the only "miracle" attested to by the Moslems, though I cannot
see how it can be a "miracle", since it does not violate the laws of
nature. One of the greatests testimonies to the Moslem faith is that
Mohammed did not NEED to perform any miracles.

POOBAH
Mr. Carter, I must confess you do try my patience. If you happened to
actually read my above paragraph, or study Islam you would realize that this
was not simply an encounter with an angel. Mohammed was transported to
Jerusalem, and thence to Heaven. Surely this was a miracle, and "a violation
of the laws of nature."

Secondly, it is my understanding that Muslims consider the inner harmony of
the Qur'an to be evidence of its miraculous character, and they claim the
fact that there is no other works of literature like it points to its
miraculous origin.

Thirdly, if you had actually read Till's post last week, or studied Islam,
you would realize that Sura 54:1 talks of Mohammed splitting the moon
asunder, and that this is understood to be an authentic, verified miracle.

So we have two examples of Muslim miracles, so finally with regard to this
question:

CARTER
I'm searching for the question you're referring to.

POOBAH
Once again, if you had actually read my post or Achilles post that you
previously had given the flippant one-line reply of "The Moslem claim for
faith does not rest upon the miraculous" to, you would have noticed the
following question:

Achilles (past):
What sort of evidence would you want before you would accept similar claims
by
a Moslem for his faith? That's the sort of evidence we want to see. You seem
to
have little to nothing of this calibre.

POOBAH
Any chance of getting a straight answer to this or any other question?

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