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<snippity again>


> JOE

> . . . you would have to affirm that the

> god of the Bible would never have chosen to tell one of his gospelers one part

> of Jesus' history, and others the other part.


<and one more snip>

ELF
    The argument from ignorance rears its head again.

    No.

    I do not have to prove the inerrantist wrong. He is making an assertion, an
assertion on its face most improbable to be true.

    It is for HIM (or her) to prove the truth of the proposition so asserted.

    _*IF *_  I can prove true a contrary proposition that necessarily implies that
his assertion/proposition is false then that is of course a reasonable argument
for me to make. But I don't HAVE to make any such argument, prove his assertion
false.

    AND my faliure to do so, for any reason is NOT proof that his assertion is
true. The truth of his assertion is something HE must prove.

    If the inerrantist asserts that Jesus was born of Mary, betrothed to Joseph
and Virgin at coneption and birth then it is for HIM to prove the truth of the
assertion.

    If the inerrantist cannot give reasonable answers, supported by evidence, to
any queries I make about that assertion, then that is evidence that perhaps there
is an error.

    I have pointed out some perfectly reasonable questions/problems with the idea
that the virgin birth is true and consistent with the rest of the New Testament
(i.e., without even raising the question of the OT and whether or not there is any
prophecy of a virgin birth that needs to be fulfilled) . Again, _I_ don't have to
_prove_ that Matthew and Luke are erroneous insertions, it's the inerrantists
logical duty to prove the truth of his propositions. One of which has to be that
the accounts of the virgin birth in Matthew and Luke are consistent with the rest
of the Bible. Seeing as they're not even consistent with each other, I think
that's quite a tall order.

    Albeit a much easier task than trying to explain just when in history a global
flood occured, or how a local flood is consistent with the Biblical account. :-)
{sure you can insist that the flood stories from the ANE are sort of shadows of
history from the distant chalcolithic (copper/stone) ages when for a time
disastorous floods may have been a regular occurance, or the flooding of the Black
Sea or a confabulation of both - but in doing so you give up inerrancy since that
is NOT what the story of Noah says happened.}

¡Salud!

Mike, aka Elfish Chimera

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