Legal case for the virgin birth (so that ELF will see this)
Achilles achillesz@usa.net
Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:49:07 -0500 (00918287347, 01470003503455@unifour.com)
On 5 Feb 99, at 0:12, Brian Dean wrote:
> > BRIDEAN
> > In that case, since there is a law student on board, please present your
> > "legal" case for the "virgin birth". I will change the topic so that
> > our resident "legal expert" can see it and judge the relative legal
> > merit of it. Since you have no eyewitnesses though, it seems your
> > "legal" approach is going to fall short.
> >
> > As far as "historical" the only thing you can verify historically is
> > that Christians believed the "virgin" birth from the beginning.
>
> Achilles
>
> I seriously doubt even that can be proven. The earliest mention I can
> think of would be in the Gospels, which *might* have been written as early
> as 70 ce.
>
>
> I seem to recall also reading that Ignatius around the turn of the century
> wrote arguments to *pursuade* other Christians that Mary was the mother of
> Jesus, if that's correct it would good evidence that not all Christians
> believed that at the time. Anyone know the reference I am thinking of, or
> maybe a site where I could find it?
>
>
> BRIDEAN
> Sorry, even if Mary was a virgin when she gave birth she would still
> be the "mother" of Jesus. If not, why not?
>
Achilles
Sorry, you completely missed my point, which was simply that I doubt very much
that "Christians believed the "virgin" birth from the beginning."
Can you think of any pre-gospel references for it?
/Achilles achillesz@usa.net
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don't give you time to read and think about it, because if you ever
did, you'd see that it's all nonsense.
-- Joan Johnson, The Cult Movement, p.93, pub. A.D. 1984