Resurrection (Alward rebuts Carter)

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>>>BACH

>>>There were no guards...so there were no bribes.

>>>There was a time period where anybody could have

>>>come in and stolen the physical body of the man

>>>Jesus who was crucified. His body was carried off to

>>>a site where it was devoured by hyenas, wild dogs,

>>>bears, lions, etc.  This is the Crossan theory, and I buy

>>>it a lot more than I can buy the "swoon" theory.  Who

>>>actually did it is up for debate....but ALL the gospels....

>>>the synoptics and John indicate that the stone wasn't

>>>all that impossible to move and that there was a time

>>>when the tomb wasn't guarded.



>>CARTER

>>Yes, this explains well the existence of the apostles

>>who preached the crucified and resurrected Christ,

>>being persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, and

>>finally being martyred, when in fact they possessed

>>knowledge all along that Christ never truly rose. Sounds

>>pretty likely to me.



>ED

>I don't think that there's any question that the early

>Christian martyrs believed in what they died for, just as

>there's no question that the many Muslim martyrs have

>believed in what they died for.  Obviously, Christianity

>and Islam cannot both be true, so it is clear that one's

>willingness to die for a belief is not a testimony of the

>truth of that belief.



|rainwater|

It gets worse than that.  We know that today there are
holy warriors of some factions of Islam living in America,
quite willing to die for their god.  I'm sure that, at least
in their time here, they have heard about the "gospel".
Still, they're willing to die for their god.  Even some xtian
groups believe that those who reject the gospel, know
deep down that it is true, but still "choose" to believe
it is false.  That gives us a scenario where somebody
not only chooses to believe something other than what
they know (deep down) is true, but are still willing to
die for their false god that they know (deep down) is
false.  That would seem to disprove the martyrdom
"proof" in and of itself.

--
aaron rainwater

"And isn't sanity really just a one trick pony anyway?
I mean, all you get is one trick!  Rational thinking.
But when you're good and crazy, oooh!! The sky's the
limit!"  -- The Tick

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