Resurrection

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>> BAKKE

>> I'm not aware of any controversies over either the existence or location

>> of Bethlehem.  Once again, such questions have little or no bearing on

>> the validity of any stories concerning purported individuals who are

>> associated in some way with that city.  After all, nobody has to argue

>> against the existence or location of London to argue that Sherlock

>> Holmes is a fictional character.

>

> POMERY 

> It has relevancy due to the fact that Matthew is attempting to make Jesus

> a fulfillment of prophecy.  The fact that Bethlehem as a city might no

> longer have existed in Jesus' time certainly seems relevant to me.  I

> believe I will attempt a source after all.  Give me a few hours.


BAKKE
I'm not sure that an argument can be made that Bethlehem "no longer
existed in Jesus' time.  After all, the city exists today.  However, the
"prophecy" referenced by Matthew (from Micah 5:2) has separate
problems.  The passage in Micah refers to a person's name (Bethlehem
Ephratah) and not to the city.


> POMERY

> Your example is not clear to me however, for if Sherlock Holmes had been

> placed in the magical city of Shang-ri La, would not the fact that

> satellite photos of that area show no evidence of Shang-ri La have

> bearing?  If q depends on p and p is false, what happens to q?  You could

> argue the lack of a dependancy, but that's another issue.


BAKKE
My point was that a fictional character does not become real just
because a story about him posits that he was born or lived in a real
city.

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