Not Up to Fatima & black holes

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> >BRIDEAN

> >I see.  In other words you don't have any way of testing whether or not I

> >saw an orange cat in a certain alley.  If you can't test ordinary claims then

> >why should I believe that you have any way of testing extraordinary claims?

>

> Ray

> This ridiculous assertion was answered by Eric Rogers in which he points out

> that it is you who claim to have seen the cat and I am under no obligation

> to do anything. In addition, however, I haven't the slightest interest

> because seeing a cat in an alley is about as interesting as watching grass

> grow. I can test this ordinary claim, however. I will never know for sure,

> but my cursory test indicates that, unless you are not an habitual liar, it

> very likely occurred,.


BRIDEAN
Well, Eric Rogers said the burden was on me to prove it.  I admit that I can not
prove that I saw an orange cat in a certain alley.  You claim that you do in fact
have some "test" for the validity of such a claim.  Perhaps you could share it
with me so that I can see if it would actually be able to test whether such a
claim is valid.  I say again, if you have no way of testing an ordinary claim such
as the one I made, then why should I believe you when you say you have a way
of testing extraordinary claims?


>



> >BRIDEAN

> >What if large amounts of radio waves of a certain kind were dangerous to

> >aliens.  I think you would find that they would avoid big cities.  You say that

> >skepticism is based on "reason".  Well how can you "reason" about a

> >technology you don't understand?  I find the fact that you nevertheless try

> >to "reason" about a technology you don't understand and call that "skepticism"

> >to be quite amusing.

>

> Ray

> I would have considerable knowledge about a group of beings who came from

> another star. They would in fact have a very advanced technology. Advanced

> technology translates to ability to negate others attacks. This has been

> proved repeatedly in the history of the conquest of most of the world by

> Europeans.


BRIDEAN
Sorry, advanced technology does not necessarily translate to being able
to negate others attacks.  Even if we only consider weapons technology
for example, a modern tank would not be able to withstand being buried
in a hole with steep edges.  Do I need to clue you in on how you could
get a tank in that kind of situation without requiring advanced technology?

And you still didn't address the issue of non-weapons technology.  Not
all technological advances have anything to do with weapons.  My computer
doesn't make a very effective weapon (for example).  One reason an advanced
alien civilization would not have weapons technology is that they never go to
war.  So an alien spacecraft from such a civilization would also not have many
defenses against an attack because they never needed to have a defense against
an attack.  If someone as unreasonable as me can think of one scenerio where
an advanced alien civilization would not want to be attacked, then there are
probably many more.  And keep in mind that since we would not understand
an alien civilization this advanced, there could be reasons that we can't think of.




> Ray

>

> These aliens are obviously not concerned about germs and the like as they

> seem to be pre-occupied with human orifices.


BRIDEAN
Why WOULD they be concerned about germs?  And why would they NOT
be concerned about human orifaces?  Seems like you know quite an awful lot
about these aliens if you are making these statements.  And even if they ARE
concerned about germs, how would you know?  Have you observed EVERY
action they take and know for a FACT that they NEVER collect germ samples?

RAY


> I could go on with this

> nonsense but the conclusion is obvious, the stories make no sense for many

> reasons.


BRIDEAN
Yes, anybody can go on about something they don't know about.  If you
know so much about the technology necessary to travel between stars
then why are you wasting your time here?  Why don't you go work for
NASA?

RAY


> I have no problem with their being aliens, I just cannot square the

> stories I hear with common sense. I also recognize that I could be wrong.

> Sometimes there are explanations that defy intuition. My only point is that

> it makes no sense to me and those who claim there are such creatures around

> have produced no tangible evidence. This is unlike the case of quantum

> mechanics, where tons of tangible evidence has been produced.


BRIDEAN
I find it amusing when you say that quantum mechanics is something that
scientists don't understand yet find "tons of tangible evidence" for.


> Ray

>

> As an aside, I do remember measuring the mass of the electron using the

> Millikin oil drop experiment in a physics lab in college. That was in 1949

> incidentally. I did in fact "experience" an electron, even though I could

> not see it. It was not a "spiritual" entity that can neither be seen or

> measured in any way, it was just very small.


BRIDEAN
But I assume you understand what an electron is?  What a Millikin oil
drop is?  You have yet to provide me with evidence of something you
don't understand, yet can prove it exists.

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