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Hello, Ed and Derek!

At 11:19 AM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote:

>At 10:37 AM 4/20/99 -0400, Derek Pomery wrote:

>>> J.

>>> >Following is another tidbit that shows something was a little off kilter, 

>>it 

>>> >seems

>>> >that the good savior died long before the other two. 

>>> >One might make a prophesy that if resurrected he could not walk away with 

>>two

>>> >broken legs.

>>> >

>>> >TEXT

>>> >19:31 The Jews, therefore, that the bodies might not remain on the

>cross on 

>>> >the sabbath, since it was the preparation, (for that sabbath day was a 

>>great 

>>> >one,) asked of Pilate that their legs may be broken, and they taken away.

>>> >19:32 The soldiers, therefore, came, and of the first indeed they did

>break 

>>> >the legs, and of the other who was crucified with him,

>>> >19:33 and having come to Jesus, when they saw him already having been

>dead, 

>>> >they did not break his legs;

>>> 

>>> Ed

>>> 

>>> Again, you're begging the question of the historicity of the gospels.  Who

>>> says that they didn't break Jesus' legs?  Only the gospels.  It seems

>>> obvious that the narrative element you cite was the product of "prophecy

>>> historicized."  John has invented this element so that he can claim that

>>> the crucifixion fulfilled the prophecy that no bone of the Messiah would be

>>> broken.

>> 

>>DEREK

>>The scripture referred to is in Exodus I believe, correct?  Therfore, it

>>is a bit of a stretch already to connect the rule about not cracking open

>>the bones of the passover lamb (to get at the marrow?) with the Messiah.

>>And let's not forget the lamb is to be utterly burned by morning.  I would

>>have been interested in seeing the explanation for that bit's fulfillment.

>

>Ed

>

>There are three passages that could be the source of this attribution:

>Exodus 12:46, to which you refer, prohibits the breaking of the paschal

>lamb's bones, as does Numbers 9:12.  The obvious connection John would be

>making with these allusions would be that of Christ as Passover sacrifice.

>

>A third possible source for the allusion is Psalm 34:20, which tells of

>YHWH's care for the "Righteous Sufferer":  "He (YHWH) guards every bone of

>his body, not one of them is broken."


CREA
    And let's not forget what was one of the major "messianic prophecies" so
often cited by Xians:  Psalms 22 -- in particular verse 17 where it is read
to say that the Messiah "can count all my bones".


With Mettaa,

Joseph Crea
<Joseph.Crea@worldnet.att.net>

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