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errancy@infidels.org errancy@infidels.org
Sat, 17 Apr 1999 19:07:42 EDT (00924408462, 609edd90.244a6e3e@aol.com)
In a message dated 4/17/99 3:33:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
etyler@truman.edu writes:
<< Ed
I'd certainly agree with you that there was nothing supernatural about the
ministry of Jesus. However, your critique in its way begs the question of
the gospels' historicity.
For instance, before you claim that the miracle of turning water into wine
at Cana was faked, you have to argue that the incident happened in the
first place. The general consensus of scholarship on the matter is that
the tale was a complete fabrication. You cannot fake an event that never
happened at all. >>
JEHOKMIAN
Ed, I did not post one word relating to a/the ministry of Jesus, the post I
presented
portrayed Jesus as attempting to lead a revolt against the ruling class at
that time.
The Scholarship consensus has no bearing on the given text.
Jesus refers to his father as being the power behind him, this is probably
the reason
for the "assumed" name of Jesus to keep his father out of the revolt in case
something
went wrong, I can find no "convincing" text that the Jesus in the NT was a
preacher of
anything other than "revolt", he was a revolutionary in his time it was his
intent to
overthrow the Romans and return the kingdom to Israel.
The balance of the additions show an amazing similarity of the "flair" of
Saint Matthew.
And there is "some" reasons to believe that at least some of the works
recorded
were "setup" as a con to fool his followers. As I stated in the post it is
quite possible
that the whole affair was a gigantic fraud. (with some additions from the pen
of the good
Saint Matthew)
"Something" attracted Saul (Paul) to the cause.
It is rather obvious that after taking out or placing in prison all of the
followers of
Jesus, he then stepped in and proceeded to provide you with the Jesus you
refer
to as the preacher/Savior.
I have been unable to unravel what/who Saul/Paul was, super cop, tax
collector? There
are just two many different versions of what he was, and where he was from.
Following is another tidbit that shows something was a little off kilter, it
seems
that the good savior died long before the other two.
One might make a prophesy that if resurrected he could not walk away with two
broken legs.
TEXT
19:31 The Jews, therefore, that the bodies might not remain on the cross on
the sabbath, since it was the preparation, (for that sabbath day was a great
one,) asked of Pilate that their legs may be broken, and they taken away.
19:32 The soldiers, therefore, came, and of the first indeed they did break
the legs, and of the other who was crucified with him,
19:33 and having come to Jesus, when they saw him already having been dead,
they did not break his legs;
Jehokmian
There are over 100,000 mistakes in the NT
not counting bad translations and
theological additions and changes.
God help Errency