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> >> CCBE

> >> We have no disagreement that 'the line quoted in Romans 10 is simple

> poetic

> >> hyperbole'. We would also concur that it is taken out of its context

> by

> >> Paul. The question is why you insist that Paul's usage is fallacious?

> He

> >> does not say that he is intending the words to have the exact same

> meaning

> >> as they had in the original.  In fact, it is a very common literary

> >> technique in the NT to quote familiar sayings and apply new meanings

> to

> >> them.  So as we study these quotes we must first ask, is the author

> using

> >> the quote intending to convey the original meaning, or is he using

> the words

> >> in a new context with a new meaning? If Paul is doing the latter, and

> it

> >> seems clear that he is, then what point have you made of any

> consequence?

> >> §§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§§

> >>

> >> Wow.

> >> What to do, where do you begin, when your opponents hand you their

> heads on

> >> a platter. . .

> >> Not that I'm not perfectly willing to accept the proffered offering,

> it's

> >> just so overwhelming.

> >> Since I must begin somewhere, let's take a look at what the CCBE has

> >> stipulated to as being factually correct:

> >> 1.The line from the Psalm is definitely poetry

> >> 2.The poet was indulging in poetic hyperbole

> >> 3.The writer of Roman's is quoting the line and using the literal

> meaning of

>


*snip*


> >>

> >> ~~~~~~~~~

> >>

> >> The emphasis in Matthew, in the words of God himself (via his

> incarnation as

> >> Christ), is on RIGHT ACTION, not on jumping through legalistic formal

> hoops

> >> i.e., it would be perfectly possible to follow the commandments [the

> Law]

> >> and achieve salvation via the formula in Matthew EVEN IF YOU HAD

> NEVER HEARD

> >> OF JESUS _OR_ EVEN IF YOU HAD, BUT DID NOT JOIN ANY CHURCH OR EVER

> ACTIVELY

> >> INVESTIGATE CHRISTIANITY.

> >> Just so long as you acted morally.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> RON

>   Excellent point! Of course if we always acted morally we wouldn't need

> forgiveness either. But, to agree, "faith without works is dead".

> Apologies to the "once saved, always saved" crowd!

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