Mary Worship in Luke (or the Bible).

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Matthew Bell wrote:

> 

> > >H.WILLIS

> > >

> > ><snip>

> > >

> > >> The idea that there were first century

> > >> perverts claiming to be Christians would seem to be incompatible with

> Paul,

> > >> but as I have claimed in the past so would first century worship of Mary,

> but

> > >

> > >> I think the first few chapters of Luke strongly suggest that Mary worship

> was

> > >

> > >> in fact going on among some groups of "Christians" very early in the

> history

> > >> of "the church".

> > >

> > ><snip>

> > >

> > >M.BELL

> > >This part of your post I found interesting. The above is inaccurate with

> regard

> > >to both Luke and the whole of the New Testament.

> > >

> > >Thanks

> > >M.Bell

> > >

> > ACHILLES

> > You *say* it is inaccurate. Can you support that assertion?

> 

> M.BELL

> Sure, present any passage which demonstrates Mary worship. My contention, there

> is none, quite the opposite.


HELEN:
Matthew we been through this!

The gospels were written in a world that had several faith that worship God 
and female mate. These things were written in a world that worship several 
religions that had gods born of virgins, all of which also worshipped the 
human mother that bore the God. Luke suggest in the introduction to this 
gospel that this is written in at least the second generation of believers 
and all material is from earlier sources. I would suggest that there is clear 
indication that Mary was being referred to by title such as "Blessed" "Mother 
of my Lord" and "Favored of God" by at least some of the Christian groups by 
the time Luke wrote. Especially the title, "Blessed" seem to have been used 
to honor her. This is worship by any definition.

Luke 1:28 And he [the angel Gabriel] came to her and said, "Greetings, 
favored one! The Lord is with you." (according to Oxford Annotated NRSV other 
ancient authorities add "Blessed are you among women" here)

Luke 1:41-48 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the child leaped in her 
womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and exclaimed with a load 
cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb. And 
why has this happened to me, that the mother of my Lord comes to me? For as 
soon as I heard the sound of your greeting, the child in my womb leaped for 
joy. And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfillment of 
what was spoken to her by the Lord." And Mary said,
  My soul magnifies the Lord,
  and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
  for he has looked with favor on the lowliness of his servant.
  Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed.

Notice that it is Mary's greeting that the child in Elizabeth's womb responds 
to, not as some protestants claim the Jesus in Mary's womb. It makes no sense 
for Mary to be saying, "from now on all generations will call me blessed." 
unless she was being called, "blessed" by whatever group Luke got this story 
from. This certainly sound like some kind of title she is given, especially 
with the repeating of the title several times. This would seem to be a very 
different view of Jesus' mother than the one expressed in Matthew 12:46-50, 
but this should not be surprising if it is accepted that Christianity was a 
composite religion.
Helen
hhiwater@bright.net

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