*Alward: Day of Preparation
eric/cindy bach thebachs@fgi.net
Sat, 21 Nov 1998 20:02:52 -0600 (00911721772, 00ee01be15bc$55b34700$149da7d0@bach)
from Bach
Maybe we need to recruit some more jews, former jews, xian-jews, etc. to
this list? All these suppositions are interesting, but nothing more than
that, and coming from former xians, non-xians, agnostics, atheists, et al.
It's starting to sound like when a bunch of men get together and start
discussing abortion! What do they really know about it?
Forgive me. My e-mail server went bonkers last night and decided to send
every other post 2 or 3 separate times. I've been at this most of the day!
Bones Bach
thebachs@fgi.net
-----Original Message-----
From: David Billo <dbillo@telos.ca>
To: errancy@infidels.org <errancy@infidels.org>
Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: *Alward: Day of Preparation
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>> From: Ed Tyler <etyler@truman.edu>
>> To: errancy@infidels.org
>> Subject: Re: *Alward: Day of Preparation
>> Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 5:07 PM
>>
>> At 04:30 PM 11/19/98 EST, JAlw@aol.com wrote:
>> >In a message dated 98-11-19 16:24:47 EST, you write:
>> >
>> ><< Subj: Re: more of my story...
>> > Date: 98-11-19 16:24:47 EST
>> > From: etyler@truman.edu (Ed Tyler)
>> > Sender: owner-errancy@infidels.org
>> > To: errancy@infidels.org
>> >
>> > At 03:19 PM 11/19/98 -0800, Farrell Till wrote:
>> > >BLACKFOOT
>> > >>According to Matthew and the others, Jesus died on the
>> > >>"ninth hour" of Preparation-Day of the week of Passover.
>> > >>It is well-established that the word, Paraskeuen (from
>> > >>the Greek for "preparation") was commonly used in the
>> > >>first century and thereafter as a name meaning,
>> > >>"Day-before-weekly-sabbath". It required no article,
>> > >>and is the same as saying "Friday".
>> > >
>> > >TILL
>> > >If this is so, I would be very interested in seeing supporting
>> >documentation.
>> > >
>> > >Farrell Till
>> > >Skepticism, Inc.
>> > >jftill@midwest.net
>> > >
>> > >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > One would be the Liddell-Scott-Jones Lexicon of Classical Greek, which
>> > reads in its third definition of the word:
>> >
>> > III. among the Jews, the day of Preparation, before the sabbath of the
>> > Passover, v.Marc.15.42, Ev.Jo.19.14,au=Ev.Jo. 19.31=lr, etc. ; hêmera
>> > paraskeuês Ev.Luc.23.54.
>> >
>> > et
>> >===============
>> >Joe Alward:
>> >
>> >Currently unresolved--perhaps only in my mind--is the question of
>whether "a
>> >day of preparation" can precede a "sabbath" which is not the weekly
>sabbath.
>> >I say "unresolved", because I'm not sure how the discussion between
>Mooney
>> and
>> >Kluepfel ended--if it did. They were alluding to "sabbaths" on Thursday
>and
>> >Wednesday. Can anyone add more information?
>> >
>> >Also, the definition above only shows that that the day (Friday) before
>the
>> >weekly sabbath (Saturday) was called the "day of preparation"
>> (paraskeuen). I
>> >would like to see evidence that "paraskeuen" couldn't be used for other
>days.
>> >
>> Ed
>>
>> The fact that it isn't used for such is pretty good evidence. I checked
>> the LSJ which contains the comprehensive classical as well as Biblical
>> concordances and can't find it sued for any other day anywhere. Nor do I
>> find any definition of Sabbath except for the last day of the week. It
>> looks like Mooney and Kluepfel are grinding some sectarian axes.
>>
>DB
>Sabbath just means a day of rest.
>The idea of a sabbath other than saturday, or a so-called 'high sabbath',
>as I understand it, is derived from verses in Deut. and Levit. outlining
>certain feast days:
>EX.12:6 seems to suggest that the passover would fall on the fourteenth day
>of the month, and v.16 suggests that the passover was also a 'sabbath'.
>LEV 23:24,25 refers to the feast of trumpets as a 'sabbath', and this feast
>falls on the first day of the seventh month.
>LEV. 23:26-32 refers to the day of atonement as a 'sabbath', and this feast
>falls on the tenth day of the seventh month. Also v.39 lists a consecutive
>sabbath on the fifteenth day.
>
>The 'harmonization' then proposes that one of these feasts, possibly
>passover, fell on friday of the week of the crucifixion, was referred to by
>the gospel writers as a sabbath, and had a day of preparation on thursday.
>
>So the theory goes, anyhow. There must be some way of determining on which
>days of the week these various feasts would have occurred around the time
>of the crucifixion. There's a nice little project for Joe!
>
>db
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