*Alward: What Prophecies of the Resurrection?

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Joe Alward:
 
 Christians point to the message of forgiveness in the Jonah story, and
 Jonah's three day stay in the fish, as analogous to Jesus' three day
 stay in the tomb in order that we might be forgiven.  To me,  that's
 the closest the Old Testament came to making a "prophecy", but I think
 it would  better be called a "foreshadowing" of future events, not an
 exact description of things to come.
 
 This raises in my mind the question of what how much detail must be
 found in prophecy. For example, must we require that a prophecy of the
 resurrection of Jesus spell out that 1500 years from now in a town
 called Jerusalem a rebel Jew would be raised from the dead after three
 days in his tomb, or is it acceptable merely to speak analogously?
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GR Gaudreau: 
 

 Joe, your quest to be "fair" and find the best arguments, has become a
 "byword" among both Christians and skeptics. Your
 "it-could-have-been-so" scenarios rival even the best I've read from
 inerrantists. To be blunt: you're bordering on the ridiculous.
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Joe Alward:

Perhaps you have some other post in mind, not the one above?  I would
be happy to comment further about my Jonah statement, but nothing I
said above, I think, could have prompted you to say that I'm
"bordering on the ridiculous", could it?  Please clarify your
statement, else I won't know how to respond.


Perhaps you thought I was claiming that I thought the Jonah story was
a believable prophecy of the resurrection?  Not so.  I was just
stating what Christians think, not that I think that they're thinking
straight.
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[grgaud]
Joe, in your efforts to be "fair", you seem to forget what, or are
ignorant of what Christians claim about the prophecies concerning
Jesus' suffering, death and resurrection. Their claim is that they
have been accomplished IN GREAT DETAIL. So, asking if there needs to
be great detail in the prophecies, especially when the Jonah myth is
NOT a prophecy about Jesus' death and resurrection, is a bit much. My
comment concerned not only this issue, but the way you have been
generally conducting your "research".

You should do some personal research on what Christians claim about
the death and resurrection before you start to speculate and ask such
questions about the Jonah myth. If you don't understand this, then it
only confirms that you need to do your own research about the
resurrection myth as well.

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Joe Alward:

You must have misunderstood my original post.  I was not saying that the Jonah
story was a prophecy of the resurrection; I only wanted to state for some
readers what most of the others already know:  WHY certain inerrantists regard
the Jonah story as a prophecy.  That's all I wanted to say--all I know,
actually--about that. 

I'm not sure it's true that I should more "personal research" than I've
already done before asking list members questions or before speculating.
That's how I learn:  by asking questions and testing my ideas.  It would take
too long to acquire as much information about the bible as you have, or
others, in the way you and others acquired it:  by studying the bible for
years, sometimes decades.  I have a lot of catching up to do:  I opened the
bible for the first time, really, about 15 months ago.  Thus, I learn a little
then ask a lot of questions.  Some, I guess that includes you, would prefer
that I learn a lot before I question others.  I do regret that you're offended
by my questions.

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