Was Jesus Human?

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---Farrell Till <jftill@midwest.net> wrote:

>

> At 05:43 PM 11/15/98 -0800, Dave Gaban wrote:

> >G. R. Gaudreau wrote:

> >> 

> >> M.BELL

> >> See if you can peruse the NT sometime. You will find to your

surprise

> >> that the penal code of the OT has been abrogated under the New

> >> Covenant.

> >> 

> >> [grgaud]

> >> Chapter and verse, please.

> >> 

> >> G. R. Gaudreau

> > 

> >Dave G.

> >

> >Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse,

for

> >it is written: " Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do

> >everything written in the book of the law."

> >

> >Ephesians 2:15 by abolishing in his flesh the LAW WITH ITS

COMMANDMENTS

> >AND THE REGULATIONS.

> >

> >Colossians 2:14 having CANCELLED THE WRITTEN CODE, WITH ITS

> >REGULATIONS,...

> >

> >Hebrews 7:18 The former REGULATION IS SET ASIDE BECAUSE IT IS WEAK

AND

> >USELESS 19 (FOR THE LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT)...

> >

> >I'm sure there are more, but this will do for now.

> >

> 

> TILL

> You're right.  There's more, much more.  The NT very clearly teaches

that

> the old covenant was abrogated and replaced with a new.

> 

> Farrell Till

> Skepticism, Inc.

> jftill@midwest.net


BRYCE
     But weren't the ten commandments part of the "old covenant?"  If
so, why weren't they invalidated as well?  There are three ways to
decide whether or not one of the commandments in the OT is valid:

     1)  Assume all OT laws are valid unless specifically superseded
by a written NT law.

     2)  Assume that no OT laws are valid, and only laws set forth in
the NT have any bearing.

     3)  As you read through the OT, simply read each commandment, and
if you burst out laughing, it must not be a valid law.

     Number 1 seems to be a problem, because I can only remember a few
dietary customs specifically being revoked.  Number 2 might exclude
the ten commandments, and would probably be unacceptable to most
Christians.  Number 3 is a bit too subjective.

     Also, I'd like someone to explain to me exactly when the OT laws
were invalidated.  The law was supposed to be in effect until Christ
made his sacrifice, but if this is the case, how could Christ have
been considered perfect?  If nothing else, he violated the law by
healing on the Sabbath.  Also, if the old law was in effect until
Christ died, then his restatement of most of the ten commandments to
the rich man doesn't make those commandments part of the new covenant.
 Would anyone care to correct me if I've misstated the christian
position?


==
Bryce Anderson
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