*Alward: Re: Challenge to Helen
Helen Willis hhiwater@BRIGHT.NET
Wed, 04 Nov 1998 21:12:53 -0800 (00910264373, 364133D5.1DC4@bright.net)
JAlw@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > ======================
> > > Joe Alward:
> > >
> > > Based on facts not specifically reported in the text one may construct
> an
> > > infinite number of scenarios. Only those which are based on contextual
> > > evidence AND which pass the laugh test should be considered.
> > >
> > > Let me repeat an example I've mentioned elsewhere. Suppose the bible
> told
> > us
> > > that the potter cast the 30 pieces of silver to the feet of a penniless
> > Judas,
> > > then later tells us the Judas pays 30 pieces of silver for a fine robe.
> > How
> > > could a penniless Judas have money to pay for a fine robe? Well, would
> any
> > > errantist laugh at an inerrantist who asserts that Judas bent over and
> > picked
> > > up the silver? This is a scenario not not specifically mentioned in the
> > text,
> > > but is it laughable? Each proposed harmonization has to be looked at on
> a
> > > case-by-case basis. Can anyone point to anything in my blood-plague
> > > harmonization which is laughable?
> > >
> > > After assuming for the sake of argument that the water-to-blood
> conversion
> > > actually occurred, who would dare argue that blood-to-water conversions
> by
> > > Moses/Aaron and the magicians is laughable? Anyone?
> >
> > HELEN:
> > Idle curiosity makes me wonder if our Joe has the slightest idea of the
> real
> > contradiction in the Judas story, because it is far more difficult to
> > harmonize than this crap he wrote. Joe, are you trying to claim that Judas
> > bought the field and not the priests? You know that Cohens (Son of Arron;
> > priests) may have nothing to do with the management of a cemetery to this
> day
> > under Jewish law? How do you think Judas die? Did he hang? Or fall
> headlong
> > in a field? Try Acts 1:16-19 vs. Matthew 27:1-10. You will have to
> actually
> > read the verses before opening you yip on this one, so I expect you wont
> > bother to answers.
> > =================
> > Joe Alward:
> >
> > "Joe, are you trying to claim that Judas bought the field and not the
> priests?
> > "
> >
> > Helen, didn't you see the word "Suppose" in my statement above? I was
> posing
> > a hypothetical to make another point.
> >
> > By the way, I explain why I think the potter's field story is nonsense in
> "The
> > Potter's Field" Prophecy at
> > http://members.aol.com/JAlw/potters_field_prophecy.html
>
> HELEN
> Joe what I've seen is a silly man repeating other peoples' arguments on
> subject that he knows so little on that he can't figure out what is a valid
> argument and what isn't. Why are you doing this most of the errantists have
> excellent web pages of their own where they make their own arguments
> correctly and where they can defend them. By the way which potter's field
> story do you think is nonsense? And are you aware that there is some
> archaeological evidences there was a cemetery for non Jews called, "the field
> of blood" near Jerusalem in the first century?
> ============
> Joe Alward:
>
> Instead of asking me why I present arguments, why don't you try to rebut them.
> Now, let me ask you to defend your statement, above, that "most of the
> errantists have excellent web pages where they make their own arguments
> correctly and they can defend them". Are you just guessing or hoping that
> this is true? Can you find someone on this list besides Till who has written
> an article about the Potter's Field controversy? If so, will you tell
> everyone the URL and why you think that essay is superior? Have you even read
> my Potter's Field essay? Perhaps you would like to prove to everyone how
> foolish I am by showing them exactly how bad my essay is? Can you do that?
> Will you?
>
> The essay is at http://members.aol.com/JAlw/potters_field_prophecy.html
>
> Once you've tried to find the huge problems with my essay that Till claims
> must be there (since I've had so little experience) even though he hasn't read
> any of them, then perhaps you'll see that Till has just been blowing hot air
> all this time. Prove me wrong.
HELEN;
No, Joe, we have proved you wrong often enough. Gee, even Matt's proven you
wrong. Try internet infidels for good references on web pages.
Helen
hhiwater@bright.net