"No-choice", "pro-choice", etc.

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> > > > IAN

> > > > Ron, the difference in doctor assisted suicide and your rather

stupid

> > > > comparisons to infanticide and the Thugs of India is that the

doctor

> > > > assisted suicide is a victimless crime. Indeed, when one prohibits

> > doctor

> > > > assisted suicide it then becomes a crime with a victim.

> > > >

> > > > Now let us look at the case of abortion. The mother does not get a

tax

> > > > exemption for a child *until* the child is born. Therefore, the

child

> > is

> > > > not and should not be considered a full fledged human being. This

is

> > one

> > > > reason (do you understand the term *reason*?) why I am pro choice.

Of

> > > > course, I do have some concerns when it comes to late term

abortions,

> > > > including partial birth abortions. However, I am not a doctor. If

the

> > > > woman's life is in danger, certainly she should be allowed the

> > abortion.

> > > > Why did she get to late term before she found out her life was in

> > danger?

> > > > Perhaps a new health concern. Perhaps a Catholic doctor. Also the

fetus

> > may

> > > > be severly deformed.

> > > >

> > > > However, I am not that difficult to get along with. I am perfectly

> > willing

> > > > to change my stance on abortion under the right circumstances. One

> > might

> > > > be:

> > > >

> > > > Stop the abortion providing the objecting person, organization or

chuch

> > > > posts a bond guaranteeing the support of this child, the mother,

father

> > (as

> > > > long as he lives with them) and other children a middle class way

of

> > life

> > > > as their antichoice commertials show of TV.

> > > >

> > > > Another might be:

> > > >

> > > > We have the government keep track of every females menstrual cycle

form

> > age

> > > > 10 onward. Every time a period is missed, they get a pregnancy

test.

> > The

> > > > government guarantees medical care and support for those who can

not

> > afford

> > > > it. If a woman has any type of abortion, spontaneous or otherwise,

it

> > shall

> > > > be investigated as any other murder. I'm sure some of the no-choice

> > ladies

> > > > like Claire would like to comment on this one.

> > >

> > >

> > > CLAIRE

> > >

> > > Dear Ian:

> > >

> > > If anyone wants to read what I have said about abortion, I can refer

them

> > to my

> > > messages in the November errancy archive.

> > >

> > > I will say something about the use of the deceptive term "pro-choice"

to

> > > describe someone who is pro- legalized abortion. I consider this to

be an

> > abuse

> > > of language. "Choice" is now a euphemism for abortion. George Orwell

> > would be

> > > impressed.

> > >

> > > I am not "anti-choice" or "no-choice".  I am anti-abortion. Giving a

> > child up

> > > for adoption should be considered a choice.

> > >

> > > I don't really agree with the use of the term "pro-life" instead of

> > > "anti-abortion", but I think that "pro-choice" is worse.

> > >

> > > ~Claire

> >

> > IAN

> > Your response completely sidetracks the issues I have raised.

> > I was somewhat tired last night and did not feel like dealing with

> > them.

> > I brought up the adoption issue earlier this morning. I know where you

> > stand on that.

> > I know you don't mean to be deceptive or to lie but you are and you do.

> > Basically you are brainwashed into believing that you can not think for

> > yourself where religion and morals are concerned.

> > Now how do you feel about the church, your church, posting a bond to

> > guarantee the living conditions of every child they save from abortion?

I

> > would not ask this except for the deceptive advertising on TV, which

*may

> > not* have the approval of the RCC.

> > Also, how would you like the state to keep records of your menstrual

> > periods? This is a personal question I know but how else is the state

going

> > to know when an abortion takes place?

> 

> 

> CLAIRE

> 

> Dear Ian:

> 

> I have never suggested that spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) or fetal

> deaths due to natural causes be prosecuted as if they were intentional

> (induced) abortions.


IAN
How are you going to know when an abortion is medical, spontanious, natural
or anything else. Why do you keep sidetracking the issue? If one finds a
dead body or if someone is missing, they have an investigation. I just want
is to make sure since you are so adament about 'life' that we do it up
right. You aren't quite so stupid that you misunderstood what I was saying.

> 

CLAIRE

> As for the RCC posting a bond, I think it would be more cost-effective to

help

> with prenatal care and the adoption process, because there are so many

people

> out there waiting to adopt infants. If anyone wishes to dispute this,

then

> please explain why so many people go abroad to adopt. They wouldn't do

that if

> it were easier to adopt infants in this country.


IAN
There are plenty of children out there waiting to be adopted. The problem
is people like you who want normal, white, babies. They don't want a
deformed baby or a retarded baby or a child who has all kinds of
psychological problems due to family and other problems. If every right to
lifer adopted one child, we wouldn't have these problems and you are not
looking to solve the problem, you are looking to solve your problem. What
does it gain for a girl to have a baby if she can't support it? You
bastards don't even want to support them on welfare. 

> 

CLAIRE

> Catholic organizations do sponsor crisis pregnancy centers, and I believe

that

> the pregnant women can receive prenatal care through these centers. So

there

> are programs in place to help women who are persuaded not to undergo

abortions.

> 

> Regards,

> Claire

IAN
Oh yes, Claire, I know they do. Then what happens to them? I realize it's
been years ago and over in Ireland but they had a story a while ago about
the God Damned Sisters over ther telling the mothers that their baby died
during childbirth and shipped the kid off to Canada and the USA for
adoption. Oh I know Claire, that was long ago. In the 1930s. Before the RCC
got any friggin morals. AMEN.

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