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>>BRIDEAN

>>*sniped Michael's quiz because Ron does not address it even though it

>>was the original reason I forwarded it to him*

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>>RON

>>Linda did not answer one of Ward's questions. Instead she asked him to 

>>define some words. Her notions of what is right and wrong are based on 

>>her Christian cultural background. Without God there is no right or 

>>wrong, just power and weakness.

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LINDA:
Hi Ron,
I think I did answer Ward's questions in another post. (or it got snipped
from this one) 

The "laws" of cause and effect have been in play since the beginning of
time. If you steal, rape or kill... or do anything to cause your 
neighbor grief, you have given him reason for retribution. This is not a way to
happiness or "eternal life" as the christians would say. These are natural
laws which affect us all whether we think they come from the bible or from
God... They are in play and we will answer to them -- whether we recognize
them or not. SOME of these may be spelled out (rather poorly) in the
bible... but I believe they PREdate the bible -- they are really the laws
of common sense... which very few people have these days. (that's why
society is paying the price - and suffering under the effect of what it has
caused) 

Do I make any sense?


RON
 By the way, you still did not answer Ward's questions. I would be 
interested in hearing your answers.
 As for your "natural" laws of karma: Stalin (for one example) cheated, 
stold, betrayed, murdered thousands of people, and died wealthy and in 
power. There are probably other examples as well. Based on this 
undersatnding of natural law the strong and powerful determine what is 
moral. Strenth is the only and final arbiter. What succeeds is what is 
desirable for any particular individual. If you are strong enough, or 
can keep from being caught, why not do as you will? Each person becomes 
his own God.
 The fact is, your ideas of what is right and wrong, moral or immoral, 
are determined by your Judeo-Christian cultural background. That's the 
problem with your liberal philosophies. You are still fueled by 
Christian concepts. Without them you degenerate to a culture based on 
power and strength, like in the former Soviet Union, where all their 
revolutionary ideals were thrown over by the powerful.                          

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