[Seekers] Punishment
Ward Fenley kingdom@ksinc.net
Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:14:14 -0600 (00889132454, 34FEC145.73E9E552@ksinc.net)
Joseph Crea wrote:
>
> Hello, Ward!
>
> At 09:52 PM 3/3/98 -0600, Ward Fenley wroteto Farrell Till as follows:
> WARD:
> >
> >ONe) do you believe in absolutes or not?
> >
> >If so, trace them back to their origin and prove that they originated in
> >man.
> >
> >If not,
> >
> >1) Do you believe in any absolutes?
> >
> >2) Do you believe any thing is right or wrong? Yes, it is as elementary
> >as it sounds? If yes, then again, prove its origin and that it
> >originated in man. If no, then I would ask you: Do you really believe
> >that?
>
> CREA
> I'm not sure that I understand what it is you are asking Farrell. From
> my days in philosophy class, we were taught that if something is called
> "absolute" then it is something "... which has an unconditioned existence,
> not conditioned by, relative to, or dependent upon anything else." (as per
> __The Oxford Companion to Philsophy__). Unless you are defining "absolute"
> in some non-standard way (and if you are, you are obligated to provide
> definitions for such usage), I can see no way to reconcile your coupling of
> "absolutes" with your demand that one be able to "...trace them back to
> their origin...", since the common definition of an "absolute" specifically
> excludes any possibility of their having an origin in the first place.
>
> With Mettaa,
>
> Joseph Crea
> <Joseph.Crea@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
I would agree with that definition to an extent. However, some on this
list would have to disagree because it seems that some of them are
saying that a unanimous decision by society to establish a fundamental
principle that has "an unconditioned existence, not conditioned by,
relative to, or dependent upon anything else" can be recognized as an
absolute.
Again, my questions still remain:
Why do you believe what you believe concerning what is right and wrong?
Do you really believe it completely up to the individual?
If so, how can you possibly say its wrong for others in ANY
circumstance? You can't therefore if someone chooses to kill your best
friend in cold blood, how can you convince that person or anyone else
that it is wrong?
In heaven,
Ward
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