Fw: Correction

Brian Dean bridean@worldnet.att.net
Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:06:51 -0500 (00889092411, 19980305035925.AAA23325@briandea) 

RON
Continued...By the way, my experiences of God have been purely 
subjective and "internal". They were not of a physical, visual nature, 
being beyond description in material terms. Obviously, short of 
experiencing this yourself, there is no way of proving it to you. Just 
as you could not prove to me that you had a particular dream while 
sleeping.


CREA
    Maybe we're getting somewhere.  By what standard does one 
distinguish between "having a dream about God" and "having God 
appear to one in a dream"?  Why is one to be considered veridical 
and not the other? 

RON
A dream could be both horizontal and vertical. God has been known to 
speak to people in dreams. The difference in this case was I was not 
sleeping and the experience was not one of a visual, earthly nature.

TILL
Correction, please.  People have been known to CLAIM that God spoke to 
them in dreams, but there is not one verifiable case of where God actually 
did speak to someone in a dream.  Do you see the difference, Ron?

RON
Correction to your "correction". Mr. Till has been known to claim that 
God has never spoken to anyone in a dream, but has never once been able 
to verify that He did not. He and other atheists simply dismiss these 
experiences, even when they have them themselves. Therefore no evidence 
is good enough for them unless they have decided beforehand that they 
approve of the conclusions and implications of it. They will simply 
contend that the witness is either lying or hallucinating thereby 
escaping the need to accept or weigh this evidence. How 
conveeeeeeeeeeeenient! (Homage to the Church Lady!)

BRIDEAN (not forwarded to Ron)
Interesting that Ron says that Till claims that God NEVER spoke to someone
in a dream.  Did Ron have a dream where Till said this?  Seems like Ron is
trying to make up what Till says and then trying to hold him to it.  Sounds
pretty conveeeeeeeeeeeenient to me!