[Seekers] Punishment

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Ward Fenley wrote:


> Farrell Till wrote:

> >

> > >

> > FENLEY

> > >Yes, after you tell me whether you believe in moral absolutes and then

> > >let me challenge you to several situations. Then I will gladly accept

> > >your challenge.

> > >

> >

> > TILL

> > I don't believe in  moral absolutes, so present your challenge.  I will

> > agree to accept your challenge, even though the burden of proof in this case

> > rests on you, because you are the one asserting the existence of moral

> > absolutes.

> >

> WARD

> Ok, first is it an ABSOLUTE that there are no moral absolutes?


MWF    Aw, I wanna play too, so I'll answer as well:

    Yes.


> WARD



> Second, if you answer that it is an absolute that there are no moral absolutes

> but [that] belief in that absolute is not believing [in] a moral absolute,

> [and]  then if  I

> say that your belie[f] is not true, am I telling the truth according to

> you?


MWF    What do you mean by truth?

    Is it true that you believe that what you say is true? Then probably yes.

    Is your assertion actually true? No.

    Is an assertion of mistaken belief about external fact a moral failure? Not
usually.


> WARD



> Thus, if I am not telling the truth, then what do you call not

> telling the truth and is it [] an absolute?


MWF    In the circumstances of the assertion above, it is a false belief that is
being asserted. The moral culpability of uttering a false belief depends on the
ability of whoever utters a false belief to know that that belief is or may be
false, and their ability to then investigate that belief.




> On the next email,

> lets define truth.


MWF    Please do. It ought to be interesting.

    Ciao.


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