[Seekers] Punishment
Ward Fenley kingdom@ksinc.net
Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:47:23 -0600 (00889004843, 34FCCECB.65A242C5@ksinc.net)
Farrell Till wrote:
>
> At 11:39 PM 3/1/98 -0600, Ward Fenley wrote:
>
> >> TILL
> >> Well, gee, Ward, why couldn't I just quote the Code of Hammurabi or the
> Qur'an?
> >>
>
> FENLEY
>
> >That is my point. My argument is not that the BIBLE is the original code
> >of ethics for humanity (though it is). My argument is that moral
> >absolutes have an origin somewhere. Now, if you do not agree with this,
> >then there is no point in continuing. If you do, then your job is to
> >convince me that:
> >
>
> TILL
> Gee, Ward, you're the one who claims that morality is absolute, so why don't
> you give us an argument in support of that position? I'll ask again if you
> are willing to accept my challenge to consider a list of modern moral
> dilemmas and tell us what is absolutely moral in each case and how you know.
> Are you willing to do that?
> >
Yes, after you tell me whether you believe in moral absolutes and then
let me challenge you to several situations. Then I will gladly accept
your challenge.
>
> FENLEY
> >First, it originated in man
> >
> >Second, if you can prove it did originate in man, then does this first
> >"moralist" necessarily determine the morality of society, and why?
> >
> TILL
> Since all morality is necessarily subjective, the answer to your first
> question is no. And why is the answer no? Because there is no such thing as
> objective morality. Objective morality is impossible, because it can never
> be separated from the subjectivity of human minds.
>
> TILL
> >> Also, I would like for Ward to answer a question. Does the Bible teach that
> >> killing is an ABSOLUTE sin?
> >
>
> FENLEY
> >NO.
> >
>
> TILL
> Then you are admitting that morality is not absolute, aren't you?
Sin is ABSOLUTE sin no matter what. Killing is SIN (absoluteness
implied) unless it is commanded by God.
Could you
> explain to us when killing would be an absolute wrong and when it wouldn't?
> If you will try to answer that, I think you may begin to see the folly of
> your position.
See above. No, I cannot see my folly yet. Keep trying though. :o]
>
> By the way, Ward, would you please label your comments by typing your name
> above them? That is an expected protocol on this list.
>
I will try to remember that on the next one.
In heaven,
Ward
> Farrell Till
> Skepticism, Inc.
> jftill@midwest.net
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