[Seekers] Punishment
Ward Fenley kingdom@ksinc.net
Tue, 03 Mar 1998 21:24:32 -0600 (00889003472, 34FCC970.F07F6683@ksinc.net)
Michael W. Fisher wrote:
>
>
> > Come on! Be sensible. Don't you see how this is all related to the
> > issue? Why do you trust ANY history?
>
> MWF Because I've walked through the streets of Pompey, and climbed Phillips wall from the Moorish
> castle at Gibralter? Seen an old statue of Buddha in Japan?
>
Oh, oK! So now we base knowledge on empiricism???? Right. Like I will
trust your strolls through other countries!!
> Because in the end, it really doesn't matter if most of the history I've learned is all that
> accurate, and those who write it therefore have nothing to gain by decieving me?
>
> > Why do you believe what you do?
>
> MWF Duh, what's that supposed to mean?
>
> > Apriori? I think not. You READ HISTORY. So you question the Bible. Do
> > you question what you believe with the same skepticism? I seriously
> > doubt it, otherwise you would be a lunatic.
>
> MWF Not at all. A responsible scholar perhaps, but hardly a lunatic. Unless being competant is by
> definition being a lunatic.
>
Yay.
> <snip>
>
> Oh by the way Ward, here's my quiz one more time:
>
> ~~~~~~
>
> Okay Ward, maybe you can solve the following quiz. I've given it to almost a
> dozen different professing Christians on assorted different lists. So fat none
> have succeeded. Maybe, since you're so sure of yourself, you can succeed where
> they have failed to so much as make an attempt:
>
> 1.) Define, via the bible, "murder".
>
> 2.) Define, via the bible, "stealing".
>
> 3.) Define, via the bible, "rape".
>
> What you should be able to do is find the applicable passages and demonstrate
> that it is unnecessary to already know what "murder" "stealing" or "rape" are in
> order to infer that each is prohibited. Another way to put it is that you should
> be able to go through the Bible, replace any instance of any of the above words
> or their cognates, and demonstrate that the Bible defines such terms contextually
> such that it is possible to know exactly what it is that is prohibited, even if that particular word
> was otherwise unknown for some reason.
>
> Bonus question: Is it wrong, as in immoral (a sin?) for you to lose property
> which someone else has entrusted to your care, and which you have voluntarily
> agreed to safe guard? In legal speak, you agree to act as the bailor of the
> bailees property, thus creating a bailment. At law, the bailor is liable for any
> loss or damage to the bailees property once the bailment is created. That's the
> law. Thus the question in effect asks: Is the law moral?
>
> If you cannot come up with satisfactory answers for at least the first three
> above, using the bible and strict deductive logic, then what that tells us is that
> the Bible, rather than being "gods holy word" and a SOURCE of "absolute morals"
> actually -presupposes- that the reader already HAS a moral code, and thus thus
> the bible merely supplies Gods backing for the priestly punishments for violations
> of the presupposed moral code by putting the sentences in Gods mouth. But note,
> that adds nothing to the arena of moral discourse.
>
> ************
>
> Good luck.
>
> Ciao.
>
> --
> Michael Fisher, ET1/SS USN ret., law student
>
> >>NEW->http://www.infidels.org/library/humor/lioaca.html
>
> http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html
>
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>
> * * *
>
> ". . . a very LONG discussion is one of the most
> effective veils of Fallacy: . . . A Fallacy which
> when stated barely . . . would not deceive a child,
> may deceive half the world if diluted in a quarto
> volume"
> Richard Whately, "Elements of Logic", p. 151
--
Ward Fenley
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Psalms 145:11-13 They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk
of thy power; {12} To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and
the glorious majesty of his kingdom. {13} Thy kingdom is an everlasting
kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.