[Seekers] Punishment
Ward Fenley kingdom@ksinc.net
Mon, 02 Mar 1998 00:05:16 -0600 (00888840316, 34FA4C1C.80A60A3C@ksinc.net)
Joseph Crea wrote:
>
> Hello, Ward, Linda et al!
>
>
> CREA
> You say that "Some societies teach it is very proper to eat your
> babies"? I think you're showing an absolute disregard for the truth here
> and repeating unsubtantiated rumours and allegations. If you can provide
> reputable sources for this scurrilous assertion, I'll offer an apology and a
> retraction, but until then, you're just another two-bit gossip and liar in
> my book.
>
Here is a nice page from one your types for starters :o]:
http://www.artnet.net/~acharya/truth/cannibal.htm
Also:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0879759062/1947-4331251-861714
http://www.anatomy.usyd.edu.au/danny/anthropology/sci.anthropology/archive/september-1995/0367.html
More specifically:
http://www.agathonvm.com/rlv/cr/eastexpr.html
> However, on reflection, you just may be absolutely right [but I really
> doubt it]. There may well be some societies that teach it is right to eat
> your babies [again, I doubt it]. But my sources (which I'm sure are every
> bit as reliable as yours) identify those societies as being comprised of
> Christians, and that they indulge in this disgusting practice (and others
> equally repulsive) at their "love feasts" when they accept a new member to
> their nefarious ranks!
So then what is the problem? Lots of people identify themselves as
Christian. Regardless, the practice exists. There is a load of info on
the subject. You say I am a liar. I say you are. Who is telling the
truth? The one who has the most resources or the "best" history book?
Come on! Be sensible. Don't you see how this is all related to the
issue? Why do you trust ANY history? Why do you believe what you do?
Apriori? I think not. You READ HISTORY. So you question the Bible. Do
you question what you believe with the same skepticism? I seriously
doubt it, otherwise you would be a lunatic.
This dirty little secret was divulged by the noted
> Roman rhetorician Marcus Cornelius Fronto (100-166 CE) [quoted by Minicus
> Felix in the __Octavius__, 9.5-6.; included in __The Ancient Christian
> Writers__, vol. 39, edited by G.W. Clarke, New York, 1974 and cited in R.
> Joseph Hoffman's __Celsus on the True Doctrine__] who reported:
>
> "A young baby is covered over with flour, the object being to deceive
> the unwary. It is then served before the person to be admitted to the
> rites. The recruit is urged to inflict blows onto it [which] appear to be
> harmless because of the covering of flour. Thus the baby is killed with
> wounds that remain unseen and concealed. It is the blood of this infant --
> I shudder to mention it -- it is this blood that they lick with thirsty
> lips; the limbs they distribute eagerly; this is the victim by which they
> seal the covenant."
>
> CREA
> You see, I can sling mud with the best of them, and better yet, I can
> document my aspersions and base canards. Your turn!
>
Tag! yer it.
> >>LINDA
> >> But does God punish a person twice? Once in this world... and again in a
> >> burning hell forever? Where does the Bible teach this?
> >
> >WARD
> >That is why I utterly deny that Christ died for everyone. That is
> >injustice, for it would mean He was punished and yet unbelievers would
> >still be punished. Universal atonement is an abomination. Even the
> >self-proclaimed "Jews" on this list don't believe that OT sacrifices
> >were for the dog Gentiles. They were limited to the Old Covenant people
> >of God.
> >
> >Morality, Linda, Morality! I have not met a skeptic who can answer the
> >issue of determining ANY absolute morality. Why? figure it out, and when
> >you can come up with the answer, you let me know, and please don't give
> >the "God told me so through special revelation" argument. You know that
> >won't wash.
>
> CREA
> Then may I suggest that you trot down to your local library and see if
> you can locate a copy of Thomas Nagel's __The Last Word__ (Oxford
> University Press, 1997, ISBN 0-19-510834-5) in which he mounts a spirited
> defense of objectivism in relation to language, logic, science and ethics.
>
> With Mettaa,
>
> Joseph Crea
> <Joseph.Crea@worldnet.att.net>
>
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Ward Fenley
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the glorious majesty of his kingdom. {13} Thy kingdom is an everlasting
kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.