[Seekers] Punishment
Ian & Pam Dorion dorioni@ipa.net
Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:39:54 -0600 (00888813594, 199803012241.QAA07112@thunder.ipa.net)
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> From: Ward Fenley <kingdom@ksinc.net>
> To: Linda <inknews@acsnet.com>
> Cc: preterist@acsnet.com; errancy@infidels.org
> Subject: Re: [Seekers] Punishment
> Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 1:22 PM
>
> Linda wrote:
> >
> > My Dear Friends,
> >
> > Why does it seem that in the "church world" everything must be
> > "absolute"... black and white... right and wrong. We all know in the
REAL
> > world there is good and bad in everyone. There is some truth in many
things
> > and some falsehood in all things.
>
>
> Ok, without the Bible, prove to me that anyone's definition of "right"
> and "wrong" is absolute.
>
> Linda, if I walk over and kill Chuck in cold blood, try to prove to me
> without the Bible that it's wrong. You can't, cause without the Bible
> you have no absolutes.
>
> Linda, for so long you have believed in preterism, but you cannot tell
> me its the truth with your view. At least be consistent. Don't pull a
> Davey and pick and choose what you believe is the word of God.
>
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> >
> > Many would assert that the Bible is ABSOLUTE truth yet its very own
pages
> > nullify that assertion. They illustrate damnation and salvation but
the
> > stories portray the guilty as being delivered (David and Uriah) and the
> > innocent and best... punished and persecuted (Christ).
>
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>
>
> Again, without the Bible, who are you to tell me its wrong to steal?
> Because society says so?????? Absurd. Some societies teach it is very
> proper to eat your babies. So then now it's a cultural ISSUE????? Right!
>
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> >
> > But does God punish a person twice? Once in this world... and again in
a
> > burning hell forever? Where does the Bible teach this?
>
>
> That is why I utterly deny that Christ died for everyone. That is
> injustice, for it would mean He was punished and yet unbelievers would
> still be punished. Universal atonement is an abomination. Even the
> self-proclaimed "Jews" on this list don't believe that OT sacrifices
> were for the dog Gentiles. They were limited to the Old Covenant people
> of God.
>
> Morality, Linda, Morality! I have not met a skeptic who can answer the
> issue of determining ANY absolute morality. Why? figure it out, and when
> you can come up with the answer, you let me know, and please don't give
> the "God told me so through special revelation" argument. You know that
> won't wash.
>
IAN
Why do you have to kill Chuck? Why not kill anybody? Do you think the
muslims read the Bible to prove something is right or wrong? How about
Hindus, Buddhists, Others? Just check your state laws as soon as you get
your head out from between your cheeks.
Do you really think Christians are the only moral people on the planet?
>From what I've seen, they are the least moral.