[Seekers] Punishment
Ward Fenley kingdom@ksinc.net
Sun, 01 Mar 1998 13:22:29 -0600 (00888801749, 34F9B575.30C62043@ksinc.net)
Linda wrote:
>
> My Dear Friends,
>
> Why does it seem that in the "church world" everything must be
> "absolute"... black and white... right and wrong. We all know in the REAL
> world there is good and bad in everyone. There is some truth in many things
> and some falsehood in all things.
Ok, without the Bible, prove to me that anyone's definition of "right"
and "wrong" is absolute.
Linda, if I walk over and kill Chuck in cold blood, try to prove to me
without the Bible that it's wrong. You can't, cause without the Bible
you have no absolutes.
Linda, for so long you have believed in preterism, but you cannot tell
me its the truth with your view. At least be consistent. Don't pull a
Davey and pick and choose what you believe is the word of God.
>
> Many would assert that the Bible is ABSOLUTE truth yet its very own pages
> nullify that assertion. They illustrate damnation and salvation but the
> stories portray the guilty as being delivered (David and Uriah) and the
> innocent and best... punished and persecuted (Christ).
Again, without the Bible, who are you to tell me its wrong to steal?
Because society says so?????? Absurd. Some societies teach it is very
proper to eat your babies. So then now it's a cultural ISSUE????? Right!
>
> But does God punish a person twice? Once in this world... and again in a
> burning hell forever? Where does the Bible teach this?
That is why I utterly deny that Christ died for everyone. That is
injustice, for it would mean He was punished and yet unbelievers would
still be punished. Universal atonement is an abomination. Even the
self-proclaimed "Jews" on this list don't believe that OT sacrifices
were for the dog Gentiles. They were limited to the Old Covenant people
of God.
Morality, Linda, Morality! I have not met a skeptic who can answer the
issue of determining ANY absolute morality. Why? figure it out, and when
you can come up with the answer, you let me know, and please don't give
the "God told me so through special revelation" argument. You know that
won't wash.
In heaven,
Ward
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Psalms 145:11-13 They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk
of thy power; {12} To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and
the glorious majesty of his kingdom. {13} Thy kingdom is an everlasting
kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.