Genesis 1 (Ian)

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MATT
1. Where do you derive the idea that God apparently created water? 

IAN
1. Well, you might have me here Matt. I jumped the gun. You see, vs.6 
says, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters." without
the creation of the waters. So the waters had to have already been created.
But you are right, I jumped ahead a verse.

MATT
You don't need to go as far as v6 to find the 'waters' as they are
mentioned in v2: 'the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters'
('and darkness was upon the face of the deep' could also be considered a
reference to them), when did God create these waters?

IAN
You're the expert Matt, you tell me.

MATT
Not an expert Ian but I'll share what I think based on what I have read. v2
is how the heaven(s) and the earth were after God had completed the
initial act of creation  - i.e. 'without form, void, waters'. What would be
wrong about this proposition?

IAN
Well Matt, if you are not an expert and if this is only what you think, I
will be happy to go along with you on this basis. The fact remains
however, that IF God created everything and IF the waters were already in
place, THEN God would have had to have created the waters even though they
are
not mentioned as being created.

MATT
Where do you get either from the passage of Scripture or my posts that
the waters were already there? What I am saying is that when 'In the
beginning God created the heavens and the earth' the result was v2. Is that
any
clearer?

IAN
Ge. 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon
the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters.

Now, IF God created the heavens and the earth and as you say, the result
was the waters, is that not the same as God creating the waters? I don't
understand what you are trying to say and I do not understand the great
importance of this. Of course, others on this list seem to have problems
with you also so I do not feel I am particuarly dense on this subject.

MATT
Yes it would be about the same, which of course would mean there was
nothing 'apparent' about it as you earlier thought/said. Is that progress?

<snip semantics>

Thanks
Matt

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