Genesis 1 (Ian vs Matt)
Matthew Bell mbkbell@aapi.co.uk
Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:59:19 -0000 (00888710359, 19980228175918000.AAA1096@mbell.aapi.co.uk)
> > MATT
> > 1. Where do you derive the idea that God apparently created water?
> >
> > IAN
> > 1. Well, you might have me here Matt. I jumped the gun. You see, vs. 6
> > says, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters." without
the
> > creation of the waters. So the waters had to have already been created.
> >
> > But you are right, I jumped ahead a verse.
> >
> > MATT
> > You don't need to go as far as v6 to find the 'waters' as they are
> > mentioned in v2: 'the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters'
> > ('and darkness was upon the face of the deep' could also be considered
a
> > reference to them), when did God create these waters?
> >
> > IAN
> > You're the expert Matt, you tell me.
> >
> > MATT
> > Not an expert Ian but I'll share what I think based on what I have
read.
> v2
> > is how the heaven(s) and the earth were after God had completed the
> initial
> > act of creation - i.e. 'without form, void, waters'. What would be
wrong
> > about this proposition?
>
> IAN
> Well Matt, if you are not an expert and if this is only what you think, I
> will be happy to go along with you on this basis. The facr remains
however,
> that IF God created everything and IF the waters were already in place,
> THEN God would have had to have created the waters even though they are
not
> mentioned as being created.
MATT
Where do you get either from the passage of Scripture or my posts that the
waters were already there? What I am saying is that when 'In the beginning
God created the heavens and the earth' the result was v2. Is that any
clearer?
> > MATT
> > 2. What do you understand the term 'heaven' to mean?
> >
> > IAN
> > The sky.
> >
> > MATT: Why do you conclude it to be limited to the sky and not the
> universe?
> >
> > IAN
> > If you can show that it is the universe, why don't you show me? Chapter
> and
> > verse please.
> >
> > MATT
> > My point is not to demonstrate it does refer to the universe but to
> > ascertain why you consider the word 'heaven' to be limited to the
skies?
>
> IAN
> Well, Matt, what pray tell is the sky? Does not one go outside on a clear
> night and say (or think), "Look at all the stars in the sky?" What you
are
> doing with all your picayune questions is quibbling. We are two weeks
into
> Genesis and we are still on the first day. Do you want to continue or do
> you want to surrender?
> >
MATT
Perhaps you are correct and it is merely a confusion of semantics. I
thought there were differences between the sky and space? As for the time
taken on posts I would have thought you would prefer a detaild study rather
than just a glance over things? Perhaps that is why you have so much
difficulty with the whole matter in the first place - a failure to properly
conduct a detailed study of the subject?
Thanks
Matt