Genesis 1 (Ian vs Matt)
Ian & Pam Dorion dorioni@ipa.net
Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:31:40 -0600 (00888701500, 199802281533.JAA13985@thunder.ipa.net)
> MATT
> 1. Where do you derive the idea that God apparently created water?
>
> IAN
> 1. Well, you might have me here Matt. I jumped the gun. You see, vs. 6
> says, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters." without the
> creation of the waters. So the waters had to have already been created.
>
> But you are right, I jumped ahead a verse.
>
> MATT
> You don't need to go as far as v6 to find the 'waters' as they are
> mentioned in v2: 'the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters'
> ('and darkness was upon the face of the deep' could also be considered a
> reference to them), when did God create these waters?
>
> IAN
> You're the expert Matt, you tell me.
>
> MATT
> Not an expert Ian but I'll share what I think based on what I have read.
v2
> is how the heaven(s) and the earth were after God had completed the
initial
> act of creation - i.e. 'without form, void, waters'. What would be wrong
> about this proposition?
IAN
Well Matt, if you are not an expert and if this is only what you think, I
will be happy to go along with you on this basis. The facr remains however,
that IF God created everything and IF the waters were already in place,
THEN God would have had to have created the waters even though they are not
mentioned as being created.
>
> MATT
> 2. What do you understand the term 'heaven' to mean?
>
> IAN
> The sky.
>
> MATT: Why do you conclude it to be limited to the sky and not the
universe?
>
> IAN
> If you can show that it is the universe, why don't you show me? Chapter
and
> verse please.
>
> MATT
> My point is not to demonstrate it does refer to the universe but to
> ascertain why you consider the word 'heaven' to be limited to the skies?
IAN
Well, Matt, what pray tell is the sky? Does not one go outside on a clear
night and say (or think), "Look at all the stars in the sky?" What you are
doing with all your picayune questions is quibbling. We are two weeks into
Genesis and we are still on the first day. Do you want to continue or do
you want to surrender?
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