Leaving the Fold

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> Morton:

> I almost responded to your earlier post but I was too busy dealing with

> issues Till raised. I want to make one point about Matt.  I recall seeing

> that he did tell you all that I was a theistic evolutionist, so why are

you

> surprised?

> 


April
Because he pulled you in to answer my questions about polar bears.  Matt
passes himself off as an inerrantist - the bible has no errors, so his
pulling you in to answer my questions (when it is clear you do not believe
in a global flood), is dishonest at best.

Morton

> I consider myself a historicist if there is such a term. I can't see any

> reason to beleive something made of whole cloth. But on the other hand if

> there is a scenario that matches both sets of data then I see no reason

to

> reject Scripture. I don't think Till or you have proven that the Bible

> requires belief in a global flood. I have heard lots of assertions that

> that is the case, but you all have presented no analyses supporting your

> position that it does.  If such a case can be made, please make it.  I

> presented an examination of the Hebrew word showing that it was more

often

> translated as 'land'. And Abraham was told to get out of his 'eretz'.  I

> doubt very seriously that was a call for Abe to go to Mars.  So, your

case,

> if you chose to present one, has to deal with such things.

> 


April

I will leave Farrell to answer such questions, but, on your website you
admit you don't take the bible literally.  Why, then, argue that here, with
Farrell?


> Morton:

> I think the problem is that everyone is under the false assumption that

the

> Bible teaches a global flood.  It doesn't.  But Christians keep claiming

it

> and atheists agree with that claim (some agree for tactical reasons, like

> Till, I suspect) The Hebrew also clearly does not support indubitably a

> global flood.

> 


April

Again, this is something for Farrell to argue with you, but I have met
NOBODY who doesn't think the bible SAYS  it was a global flood - what
people (like you) do, is say, "well, it didn't actually MEAN a global
flood"...  And they do so, of course, because the problems associated with
such are, simply, insurmountable!


> April:

> >

> >Read books.  I'll recommend my favorite "The Final Superstition" by

Joseph

> >Daleiden ($28 post-paid from the author - email me privately), but there

> >are a lot of others.  You're a scientist - apply your scientific talents

> >and the discipline of the field to religious claims just as you would to

> >other ones.  

> 

> Morton:

> I think I have.  Or at least I have done my best.

> 

> April:

> >

> >Good luck!  

> 

> Thanks I need it. I have chosen the perfect position to be fired at from

> both sides of this argument. I guess that makes me stupid. :-)

> glenn


April

If you don't mind a personal question - why do you cling to religious
beliefs?  What do you get out of them?  I did look at your website and you
post the best reasons for not believing in the biblical god.  So why do
you?

> 

> Adam, Apes and Anthropology

> Foundation, Fall and Flood

> & lots of creation/evolution information

> http://www.isource.net/~grmorton/dmd.htm

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