Whales to April

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> > DJC

> > One is supposed to decide on the basis of reason and logic in the

> > application of a sound and thorough exegsis and not start with a

> > presuppositional bias against the work.  Back on the short list you go.

> 

> April

> 

> OK, reason, logic, AND experience tell me people don't rise from the

dead.

> They don't fly up into the sky (without benefit of an engine), males

aren't

> born without the presence of sperm, they don't walk on water, they don't

> make blind people see by putting mud and spit on the blind person's eyes,

> they don't turn water into wine without the addition of grapes and the

> fermentation process, they don't bring someone who's been dead for three

> days (who has already started to rot!) back to life, etc. etc. etc.

> 

> So why should I believe those things just because someone wrote them in a

> book?

> 

> 

> 

> TERRY

> I don't have to believe them if don't want to, I on the other hand do

> believe them but not just because someone wrote them.


April

Ah, but David's point was that one should use reason and logic when
addressing the bible - but when I do so, the bible falls fall short.  And
he couldn't dispute that.


> 

> 

> APRIL

> Not to mention

> 1 - all the Noah's ark problems I posted

> 2 - his ability to adapt to underwater breathing, which Terry is ignoring

> as well.

> 

> What else could we expect?  There are no answers, of course.

> 

> 

> TERRY

> I certainly don't know all the answers, how could any human being know

all

> the answers.  The Universe if full of questions that we are seeking

answers

> for.   I look back through some of your post and I am not quite sure what

> you mean by underwater breathing.


April

You used the word "adapt" rather than "evolved".  Adapt means to change
oneself to a differing environment or situation.  So tell me, can you adapt
to breathing underwater?  If not, then, in the context of our discussion,
animals don't adapt, but evolve.

Terry

> Also why would whales have to be on the ark, even if they are mammals

don't

> they resided  in the sea which at present is salty, since they reside in

> salty seas and oceans now why would  they have to be put in an Ark then.


April
Once again - rain is freshwater, the sea is saltwater.  If you mix the two,
you get brackish water which sea (and fresh) animals can't live in.  Why
are you finding this so difficult to understand?

Terry

> And one more thing you challenge me to a debate about evolution a few

weeks

> back, I don't think this is the format for such a debate it is off topic,

> but I certainly would like to hear some of your reasons for believing in

> evolution in a private post if you are up to it.  Maybe I could learn

some

> more of people objections to creation.

> 


April
I will be happy to debate evolution with you offlist, PROVIDED you first go
to

http://www.talkorigins.org/    and read ALL OF both "the FAQ," and "browse
the archive" files.  I won't discuss evolution with somebody who knows
nothing about it. 

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