"to contend with the most unblushing effrontery" for Ron

Helen Willis hhiwater@BRIGHT.NET
Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:12:12 -0700 (00896991132, 3576B94C.2BEC@bright.net)


Ron disagreed with the book I quoted claim that the Catholic Church set the 
pattern for all following witchcraft trials. Most historians date the 
beginning of the true horrors as the publication of _Malleus Maleficarum_ in 
1484. As I pointed out this book is available in English translation at 
http://www.amazon.com for $12.95 and is well worth having a copy of for 
those interested in the history of Christianity. This book had a bull from 
the pope as an introduction and an "Official Letter of Appobation of the 
Malleus Maleficarum from the Faculty of Theology of the Honourable University 
of Cologne" attached to the end (dated May 19, 1487.)

Both Claire and Ron have claimed in the past that the Holy Ghost will protect 
the church from a false teaching being taught by a corrupt man somehow 
becoming pope. Malleus Maleficarum not only instructs clerics in the church 
how to torture and kill witches, but, as John Hamilton pointed out to lie by 
promising to spare the life of an accused witch if she confesses and names 
others. Pope Innocent's bull makes it clear that not only is he ordering 
this, in the name of the Church, but that many of the local officials in the 
area Kramer and Spreger were working were resisting their efforts and 
claiming the witchcraft they were hunting did not exist at least in their 
communities. Here's a quote from the bull:

....And although Our dear sons Henry Kramer and James Sprenger, Professors of 
Theology, of the Order Friars Preachers, have been by Letters Apostolic 
delegated as Inquisitors ot these heretical pravities, and still are 
Inquisitors, the first in the aforesaid townships, districts, dioceses, and 
other specified localities, and second in certain territories which lie along 
the borders of the Rhine, nevertheless not a few clerics and lay folk of 
those countries, seeking too curiously to know more than concerns them, since 
in the aforesaid delegatory letters there is no express and specific mention 
by name of these provinces, townships, dioceses, and districts, and further 
since the two delegates themselves and the abominations they are to encounter 
are not designated in detailed and praticular fashion, these persons are not 
ashamed to contend with the most unblushing effrontery that these enormities 
are not practice in those provinces, and consequently the aforesaid 
Inquisitors have no legal right to exercise their power of inquisition in the 
provinces, townships, dioceses, districts and territories, which have been 
rehearsed, and that the Inquisitors may not proceed to punish, imprison, and 
penalize criminals convicted of the heinous offences and many wickednesses 
which have been set forth.......

HELEN:
The bull end with instructions to the Bishop of Strasburg that:

..... he shall threaten all who endeavour to hinder or harass the 
Inquisitors, all who oppose them, all rebels, of whatever rank, estate, 
position, preminence, dignity, or any condition they may be, or whatsoever 
privilege of exemption the may claim, with excommunication, suspension, 
interdict, and yet more terrible penalties, censures, and punishment, as may 
seem good to him, and without any right of appeal, and if he will he may by 
Our authority aggravate and renew these penalties as often as he list, 
calling in, if it so please him, the help of secular arm..... 

HELEN:
This pope's own word condemn him. He used the power of the church to inflict 
this Inquisition on communities where the local authorities did not wish it. 
Moreove, he had to threaten the local authorities with the same treatment, if 
they resisted, in order to get compliance. This was more than 30 years before 
the beginning of Protestantism, so it wasn't the Protestants and it wsn't the 
secular governments that started this terror, it was the Catholic Church 
itself from it highest offices. 
Helen
hhiwater@bright.net