(Ron) Borgia to Ron
Helen Willis hhiwater@BRIGHT.NET
Wed, 06 May 1998 08:05:43 -0700 (00894485143, 35507C47.48B0@bright.net)
Brian Dean wrote:
>
> RON
> The verse you cite indicates only that such a person will be rewarded
> according to his works. Even a pope can go to hell. It says nothing
> about being "proper" anything, so don't add your thoughts to the
> scripture. Your understanding of the word "heretic" is in error. A
> heretic would be someone who KNOWINGLY misdirects the faithful in
> matters of doctrine. Where did Borgia do this?
>
> RICK G
> Ron, did you read the context of 1Tim 3, or Titus 1? I think not! The
> qualifications of both elders and deacons EXCLUDED men like Borgia
> because of his perversions and his blatant use of political power to rule
> like a lord over "the faithful".
>
> And that's not to mention Matthew 7:15, in which Jesus warns his
> disciples about false prophets --the Pharisees of his day-- and how
> a good fruit cannot come from a bad tree and vice versa. Do you
> really think that this excludes all the those perverted and power hungry
> popes down through history. If so, then Roman Catholics are even more
> gullible than I originally thought.
>
> Are you THAT gullible??? Do you actually believe that Borgia didn't
> KNOWINGLY misdirect "the faithful"??? Pleeease!!! Give us a break here,
> will ya!!!
>
> RON
> You have yet to prove that Borgia misdirected the faithful on a
> doctrinal matter, or cite scripture that proves he had to be sinless to
> a particular degree in order to have authority on matters of faith and
> doctrine. Remember "The greatest of saints is only the least of
> sinners". The only sinless humans have been Mary and Jesus. Even Peter
> betrayed Christ three times and was chosen by Christ to be the first
> leader (pope) of the Church.
HELEN:
I'm in the middle of switching my system around. I'm losing a lot of mail one
way or another, so if I don't reply to everything bear with me, please.
Borgia had a priest excommunicated, tortured, and killed for suggesting that
the pope was corrupt. Isn't this a misdirecting of the faithful on a
doctrinal matter? If not, please give a definition of what would be.
Helen
hhiwater@bright.net