(Ron) Borgia to Ron

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RON
The verse you cite indicates only that such a person will be rewarded 
according to his works. Even a pope can go to hell. It says nothing 
about being "proper" anything, so don't add your thoughts to the 
scripture. Your understanding of the word "heretic" is in error. A 
heretic would be someone who KNOWINGLY misdirects the faithful in 
matters of doctrine. Where did Borgia do this?

RICK G
Ron, did you read the context of 1Tim 3, or Titus 1? I think not! The 
qualifications of both elders and deacons EXCLUDED men like Borgia 
because of his perversions and his blatant use of political power to rule 
like a lord over "the faithful".

And that's not to mention Matthew 7:15, in which Jesus warns his 
disciples about false prophets --the Pharisees of his day-- and how 
a good fruit cannot come from a bad tree and vice versa. Do you 
really think that this excludes all the those perverted and power hungry 
popes down through history. If so, then Roman Catholics are even more 
gullible than I originally thought.

Are you THAT gullible??? Do you actually believe that Borgia didn't 
KNOWINGLY misdirect "the faithful"??? Pleeease!!! Give us a break here, 
will ya!!!

RON
  You have yet to prove that Borgia misdirected the faithful on a 
doctrinal matter, or cite scripture that proves he had to be sinless to 
a particular degree in order to have authority on matters of faith and 
doctrine. Remember "The greatest of saints is only the least of 
sinners". The only sinless humans have been Mary and Jesus. Even Peter 
betrayed Christ three times and was chosen by Christ to be the first 
leader (pope) of the Church.

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