(Ron) Borgia to Ron

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Hello, Ron!

At 06:47 PM 5/4/98 -0400, you wrote:

>RICK G


--snip--


>According to your own religious hanbook, the bible, popes like Borgia 

>should have been considered as a heretic and shunned by Christians.

>

>RON

>  The verse you cite indicates only that such a person will be rewarded 

>according to his works. Even a pope can go to hell. It says nothing 

>about being "proper" anything, so don't add your thoughts to the 

>scripture. Your understanding of the word "heretic" is in error. A 

>heretic would be someone who KNOWINGLY misdirects the faithful in 

>matters of doctrine. Where did Borgia do this?



CREA
    Rewriting the Catechism again, Ron?  My copy defines heresy somewhat
differently than you do.  It says  [at #2089]:


   "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must
be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate
concerning the same"


CREA
    I can find nothing in this definition which would require a heretic to
be one who "... KNOWINGLY misdirects the faithful in matters of docrine".  A
simple, but stubborn, belief at variance with the teachings of "Holy Mother
Church" was quite enough to result in the excommunication of the "sinner",
and after the time of Innocent III, could (and often did) result in
execution at the hands of the secular authorities (as formalized into canon
law at the Lateran Council in 1215) for the "crime" of heresy -- a view
which was rapidly codified in civil law (just five years later) by Frederick
II, the "Holy Roman Emperor".  


With Mettaa,

Joseph Crea
<Joseph.Crea@worldnet.att.net>

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