(Ron) Borgia to Ron

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HELEN:
Are you claiming that Borgia listened to the voice of the "Holy Spirit"?
Did he do this before or after his orgies in the papal palaces? Do you
really think anything would have constrained this guy from anything that
he wanted to do? I believe that one of the things he was accused of was
having sex with his daughter Lucrezia, if he wasn't restrained from
that, do you really think he would have been restrained from misusing
any of his papal powers? Remember this is the guy who's hachet man was
his son, Casare, who he made a cardinal and about whom Machiavelli
supposedly model, "The Prince". I don't think anyone would claim any
restraining influence on this family other than self interest.

HELEN:
Are my words, "right" and "moral" any more or less self defined than
yours? At least I take the responsibility for examining my self
definitions. What is the basis of the people you consult decisions? I
would say mine have shown me a time tested moral compass. If the 
current pope was as corrupt as Borgia would his judgement be binding 
for you? How would you judge whether or not the pope was corrupt?

RON
  Once again, the personal virtue of the particular pope is irrelevent 
to the Divine guidance concerning matters of faith and doctrine. Can you 
cite any examples of Borgia making such pronouncements not in line with 
Church doctrine? If that was the case I would cease to consider myself a 
"Roman" Catholic and would have to revise my understanding of 
Catholicism and the Church. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the 
Holy Spirit prevents the popes from ruling in error on these issues 
regardless of their "corrupt"ness or holiness.

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