Farrell's Evidence (to Farrell)

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At 02:16 PM 4/17/98 -0400, David Court wrote:

>At 09:20 AM 4/17/98 -0400, David Court wrote:

>>Farrell

>>The shame of creationists is that, lacking any scientific evidence to

>>support their case, they resort to misrepresenting and distorting scientific

>>quotations to leave the impression that science is on their side.  

>>

>>(DAVE 4/16)  Farrell:  Indeed, this happens as you say in some instances.  

>>But, of course, in your dismissal and denial of the creationist claim, you 

>>certainly don't resort to such tactics, do you?  What was that about the 

>>self-existence of matter?  Is science on your "side"?

>>

>

>TILL

>Well, yes, science is indeed on my side in this matter?  Do you mean that

>you are unaware that science supports the view of self-existent matter?

>

>(DAVE 4/16)  Farrell:  No, I didn't know it was proven.

>


TILL
Proven?  I didn't say that it was proven.  I said only that science supports
the view of self-existent matter.  However, I don't know of any support that
science gives to self-existing deities.

(DAVE 4/25)  Farrell:  I retract, you didn't say it was proven.  When you 
say "science" supports the view of self-existent matter, are you saying that 
science as a whole does?  Certain scientists?  Is it just a theory?   What 
basis do you make such a statement?  And then how can you make the ludicrous 
statement that you don't know of any support science gives to a 
self-existing deity - OF COURSE you worded it that way to avoid saying it 
doesn't.  The fact is, there are MANY Christian scientists alone, not to 
mention Muslim, Jewish and other faith types in the scientific field.  If 
you "don't know" of this kind of support, you are blatantly ignoring 
reality.  Relativism again.

Regards.

Dave
"An inevitable result fo autonomy is relativity.  If men are their own 
creators, then the social environment, destiny, and meaning of existence 
created by one group of people, in one place and time, are not necessarily 
relevant to another group of people in a different historical context.  
Those in each society bring into being a system of thought and values that 
has meaning only for those who create and live within it.  This is 
particularly true in the realm of morals...."
                                            - Tony Campolo

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