Everything Stands or Falls on Jesus: More than you realize!
Dave Jones davjones@dnai.com
Thu, 29 Jan 98 22:05:35 PST (00886161935, MAPI.Id.0016.0061766a6f6e65733030303830303038@MAPI.to.RFC822)
Dave Taylor wrote:
: But Pat, that's not really true. The latest research indicates
: there was no Hebrew/Aramiac canon until the second century.
:
Although the canon of the Tanakh was not formalized until the late first
century or early second century, we know from Qumran, and other sources,
that all books accepted into the Jewish canon were in existence during the
life of Jesus and were approaching canonical status by then.
: The Septuagint was in existence, but this book did not contain
: the same writings as our modern canon. In fact, it seems this
: was this canon from which that Christ and the apostles quoted.
: Yet it is not the same book as the "canon" compiled by the
: Catholic Church under the authority of Constantine.
:
: So follow this: 1) As you say, Christ "quoted" from the Old
: Testament; 2) But that "testament" was a DIFFERENT canon
: than the one we use today; 3) so by what authority--pray
: tell--have Christians "switched" to a different canon than
: the one used by Christ?
:
We would be more correct to say that the authors of the gospels generally
quoted, (or misquoted) from the LXX. Some passages in John, suggest that
John used a source that is closer to the MT than the LXX. This does not
necessarily mean a Hebrew source as we also know from Qumran that there
were early Greek texts of at least some of the OT books that were closer to
the MT tradition than the LXX tradition.
Several of the NT authors apparently were also familiar with the
non-canonical writings, particularly Enoch. Fragments from Enoch were also
found at Qumran, which suggest that this work was highly respected by
several Jewish factions in the first century.
Dave Jones - San Francisco
davjones@dnai.com
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Man is certainly crazy. He could not make a mite yet he makes Gods by the
dozen.
Michel Eyquem de Montaigne
(1533 - 1592)
Essays Bk. II, Chapter 12
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: Pat:
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: You wrote:
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: >> Yes, I am aware that the "Bible" as we know it was not in existence.
: >> However, the Old Testament was, and Jesus quoted from it extensively
: >> without indicating any errors or problems with it.
:
: But Pat, that's not really true. The latest research indicates
: there was no Hebrew/Aramiac canon until the second century.
:
: The Septuagint was in existence, but this book did not contain
: the same writings as our modern canon. In fact, it seems this
: was this canon from which that Christ and the apostles quoted.
: Yet it is not the same book as the "canon" compiled by the
: Catholic Church under the authority of Constantine.
:
: So follow this: 1) As you say, Christ "quoted" from the Old
: Testament; 2) But that "testament" was a DIFFERENT canon
: than the one we use today; 3) so by what authority--pray
: tell--have Christians "switched" to a different canon than
: the one used by Christ?
:
: Methinks this is a very important question....
:
: Dave Taylor
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: Dave Taylor
: dtaylo@pacificnet.net
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