Abraham &Sarah - my apologies - no problem (Claire)

Ian & Pam Dorion dorioni@ipa.net
Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:04:24 -0600 (00884847864, 199801150106.TAA21974@siren.ipa.net)


IAN
Dear Claire,
My note to you below was never answered by you due to the X'mas holidays. I
just thought I would resend it in case you wished to rebut it. You
certainly don't have to since it is not a biblical errancy problem. Of
course, if you are going to say each verse is exagerated or absurd and it
was just the thinking of the people during that time, then how can we have
a meaninful discussion? Every time we have a disagreement, you will run to
your religious teacher and see what he has to say. 

I know you mean well but you are not doing yourdelf any favors be allowing
them (your church and their teachers) to jerk you around from the OT to the
NT or wherever and whatever way they want to do it. You are young though
and you are intellegent and I think you are looking for truth so maybe one
day you will sit down and study the Bible starting with Genesis.

Regards,
Ian

>
> Dear Claire,
> You have to remember that I have only read and studied the five books of
> Moses. I started to read Joshua but my family values couldn't take much
of
> it. Also, this is a biblical errancy group so I don't think I have to go
> too far in the Bible to prove errancy. Since you seem to agree that the
> Bible IS in error but you still wish to accept it, as the Holy of Holies,
> there is no point in continueing this discussion. It is certainly
possible
> the stories of Abraham are exagerated, if indeed he ever lived, just as
it
> is possible that the feats and stories of Jesus are exagerated, if
indeed
> he ever lived..
>
> For your information, Josef Stalin was raised as a Christian and attended
a
> Christian school. He did so well at school that he won a full scholarship
> to seminary. While in the seminary he read some forbidden books on
> Communism and was either kicked out of left of his own volition.
Apparently
> communism suited him better than Christianity but not better than the
> exploits of Joshua.
>
> As for my obnoxious saying, "Good Christians make good Nazis," while it
may
> well be obnoxious, it is none the less true. Let me explain.
>
> Good Christians say, "My God right or wrong, and my God is never wrong."
> When a non-christian brings up the Hebrew Horde going into Canaan Land
> under God's command killing all the men, women and children, except for
the
> virgins which they kept for their sexual pleasures, the Christians always
> say that God had his reasons. Even killing the babies was justified since
> they went straight to heaven.
>
> Good Christians say, "My country right or wrong and my country is never
> wrong."
> So when this country chose to support the tyranical South Viet-namese
> government, the people supported the war because we were lied to (I was
one
> of them). Even though the North and South had a treaty to have a national
> election to determine the type of government they would have, this
country
> knew it would go communist and refused to let it come about. The American
> Legion is a patriotic organization made up of veterans who still support
> our part in the Viet-Nam War. You must profess a belief in God to belong
> (or lie). We can also go back to Nazi Germany (will you ever hear the end
> of it?). Hitler did not kill the Jews by himself. Germany was mostly
Roman
> Catholic and Lutheran. They supported Hitler.
>
> Good Christians say, "My boss right or wrong, and my boss is never
wrong."
> I have seen them sign documents they had no business signing. I have seen
> them object to something they knew to be wrong, and indeed try to right
it.
> When the boss told them to shut-up and butt out, they did. When did you
> ever hear of a born again Christian being a whistle blower?
>
> Good Christians say, "My husband right or wrong, and my husband is never
> wrong." What do you think the Promise Keepers are all about?
>
> What do I call "A Good Christian?" "A Good Christian" tells everyone he
is
> a Christian, brags about all he does for the church, says grace in
public,
> prays in public, etc. etc. I think you get the idea.
>
> If you think I'm wrong when I say, "Good Christians make Good Nazis,"
write
> to the Pope and tell him to release the papers the Jews are asking for
> concerning Pope Pius XII, the RCC, Hitler and Nazi Germany. What does he
> have to hide?
>
> Ian Dorion
> Jesus Saves Jesus' Slaves
> (I hope this is more to your liking.)