"Here I am, Send Me."

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Walt(2/18)
At 10:00 PM 2/18/98 -0500, Gary Wm Kuehl wrote:

>Walt,

>

>To:

>

>>>Idea here is not that one "swears" to blaspheme, but rather, since the

>Holy

>>Spirit ("HS") is The Truth, to _deny_ the truth unto salvation is the

>>"blasphemy."  Makes sense in that if a person denied the only thing that

>>could save him, the truth that brings one to faith in Jesus Christ as His

>>Savior, what would save a person?  And, this too would mean that this

>denial

>>occurred over one's entire life, since a person accepting Christ right

>>before he dies, then he is saved.  (Remember the parable about the

>"workers"

>>and their "pay.")

>>

>You said,


WALT

>>Welcome to the list. Your dictionary and mine seem to be at odds. You claim

>>that "blaspheme" somehow connotes "deny". From Webster's Ninth; blaspheme:

>>to *speak* of or *address* with irreverence; revile, abuse; to *utter*

>>blasphemy. I hope we don't see a typical christian str......etch here.


GARY

>Walt, nice.  <laughing>  Maybe look at it this way.  Would you agree since

>the HS is within us, blaspheming it is something we can do with our own

>hearts, without speaking?


WALT
What do you mean,"nice"? I'm referencing a generally accepted definition of
"blaspheme", and all you have to say is "nice"? Please give me your source
of your definition of same. Nevermind, I called it already. Str....etch.

GARY

>And, what would be the most "reviling" and

>"abusing" thing to do to the Truth, but to deny it and make it a "lie," if

>we could?


WALT
Where did "reviling" and "abusing" come from? The discussion is about
"blaspheme".


>Consider, 1Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by

>the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is

>Lord except by the Holy Spirit.


WALT
Consider it considered, but you haven't touched "blaspheme".

GARY

>In this, two things.  First, no one can call Jesus less than He really is,

>because doing this is calling Him accursed.  Second, no one can call Him for

>what He really is without the HS in him.


WALT
I'm not calling him anything..... How about "blaspheme"?

GARY

>The HS being denied -- the ultimate blasphemy -- this person is not in

>Christ.


WALT
All this HS is beginning to sound like BS, since you refuse to address the
point that was raised initially. Your "blaspheme" and mine are at odds, and
you have failed to show me why your's obtains.

GARY

>Now, I take it you are not a believer.  Fine.  Well, not "fine," but it is

>at that point that we might agree to disagree, if you wish.


WALT
I don't wish anything, except that you'd give me your reference for "blaspheme".

GARY

>But, with regards to the Holy Spirit, it _is_ this denial that is being the

heart of the matter of salvation or no.  Simply saying a curse against the
Truth, that is one thing, but this is in no wise the real blasphemy that
denial is to the convicting Truth.

>

WALT
What do you mean, "with regards to the holy spirit, or the convicting
truth"? I was hoping you'd address "blaspheme".

GARY

>>>Finally, every other sin is completely covered by Christ's blood at the

>>cross, so the only "one" that could not be forgiven is the _one_ that

>>rejects God's provision for forgiveness for everything else.

>>


WALT

>>Uh, yes. Most on the list are aware that every one of the 3,500 people on

>>death row have a letter in their permanent record attesting to a belief in

>>Jesus as their savior. You don't even want to know the hideousness of their

>>crimes.

>

>Funny isn't it.  You suppose attesting it would attempt to save the flesh,

>when real belief knows the flesh will perish but the soul is saved.  No, I

>don't say there are not those who would use things religious to further

>there own earthly position.  But, you are aware of the conviction and

>conversion of a heart.  And, isn't it the heart that the Lord sees?


WALT
I don't see anything in your statement that relieves you or your religion of
the responsibility for punishing those who have committed unspeakable
crimes, only to have the guilt removed by acknowledging jesus. This is one
of the most ludicrous aspects of the xtian faith. Come to jesus and all is
forgiven. Sure as hell doesn't sound like YHVH in his prime.
 
GARY

>Now as to things hideous, we examine our own selves and what lovely things

>do we find?  Who has not broken the law with his thoughts if not his own

>deeds.  It says if we have broken even one little part of the law, we have

>broken the whole law.  Or, do we wipe the outside of the cup and claim the

>inside is clean, too?  Man, we all sin.  Who are we to judge?


WALT
Judge? Not me brother.

GARY

>There are broken people on death row in jails, there on broken people on

>death row in their own living rooms watching TV right now.  Who will help

>them, who will save them?  Who will love them?


WALT
Broken people? Probably. Who is responsible? YHVH!!! He made them with all
their imperfections. I mean bein' omni3, he could have done most anything.

GARY

>It is written, Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: "Whom

>shall I send, And who will go for Us?" Then I said, "Here am I! Send me."


WALT
Did he?
Best wishes,
Walt


>Peace, I am,

>

>Gary Kuehl

>

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