"Tell me what to say."
Farrell Till jftill@midwest.net
Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:07:01 -0800 (00887893621, 2.2.32.19980219070701.006dd390@midwest.net)
At 11:07 PM 2/18/98 -0500, Gary Wm Kuehl wrote:
>John,
>
>Thanks for your reply.
>
>You said,
>>
>>So, what you are saying here is that you don't believe Mat 12:31-32?
>>
>No, I do believe in it. See copy of prior post below:
>
>Regarding, "Mat 12: 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and
>blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy]
>Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. "
>
>Idea here is not that one "swears" to blaspheme, but rather, since the Holy
>Spirit ("HS") is The Truth, to _deny_ the truth unto salvation is the
>"blasphemy." Makes sense in that if a person denied the only thing that
>could save him, the truth that brings one to faith in Jesus Christ as His
>Savior, what would save a person? And, this too would mean that this denial
>occurred over one's entire life, since a person accepting Christ right
>before he dies, then he is saved. (Remember the parable about the "workers"
>and their "pay.")
>
>Finally, every other sin is completely covered by Christ's blood at the
>cross, so the only "one" that could not be forgiven is the _one_ that
>rejects God's provision for forgiveness for everything else.
>
>Maybe look at it this way. Would you agree since the HS is within us,
>blaspheming it is something we can do with our own hearts, without speaking?
>And, what would be the most "reviling" and"abusing" thing to do to the
>Truth, but to deny it and make it a "lie," if we could?
>
>Consider, 1Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by
>the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is
>Lord except by the Holy Spirit. In this, two things. First, no one can call
>Jesus less than He really is, because doing this is calling Him accursed.
>Second, no one can call Him for what He really is without the HS in him.
>
>The HS being denied -- the ultimate blasphemy -- this person is not in
>Christ.
>
>Trusting this message finds everyone well, I am,
TILL
Gary, why not save this kind of stuff for the "Stephen Ministry" that you
mentioned in another posting? I'm going to make an exception to what I
recently said about even mild profanity on this list, but I'm doing so
because I think it will more forcefully make my point. I think you have us
confused with someone who gives a damn about the kind of barnyard manure
that you're posting. May I inform you that I am almost 65 years old, and I
have been studying the Bible very seriously since 1949. I attended two
Bible colleges, received an undergraduate and graduate degree from one of
them, preached for 12 years, did foreign missionary for more than five
years, have conducted numerous religious debates with alleged experts in
their fields, so, quite frankly, simplistic crap like what you are posting
does nothing but insult my intelligence, as if you think that I and others
on the list haven't heard all of this stuff before.
Now do you know of any logical arguments you can present in support of your
Bible belief? If so, by all means, post them. If not, then please save the
sermonizing for someone who may be gullible enough to swallow it. I'm sorry
to be so blunt, but this kind of stuff gets old.
Farrell Till
Skepticism, Inc.
jftill@midwest.net